Tories ?
The discussion started with a statement on Corbyn being clearly inept and unsuitable to lead a broad coalition. All I said was that on that front he is at least as good as May or any of the senior Tories. I did not say he was ‘good’. There was a further development to the discussion which suggested the Brexit mess is labour/Corbyn’s fault because if they were any use they could have straightened things out a bit. I find that argument a bit mad. It suggests it’s fine for the Tories being pure shite but it’s labour’s responsibility to rescue them. Madness. Brexit in the first case, and the subsequent mess that Brexit is, are wholly down to the Tories.
I hope I didn’t say anything xenophobic. I never said I was afraid of or disliked the British public, I just said that many of them are thick. Perhaps I should have said misguided and delusional.
Corbyn isnt good.
I never said he was pal.
Backtrack
Incorrect.
It doesnt matter how many steps May took, Corbyn cant pull her helmet off and give her a few digs.
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It’s the most blatant backtrack of all.
“He’s as least as good as the Tories”
Polls and data shown.
“Well the Brits are morons”
Called out on statement.
“I just meant they were bad and so is he”
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The contribution was his usual risible interjection onto a topic.
Again, the original comment was on party leadership and coalition building. I said he is at least as good as the Tories on that. Polls are irrelevant as an indicator of how good he is at coalition building.
In fact, he is probably far better at coalition building than May. And the rest of the Tory leadership are worse.
Why do you find this so difficult to comprehend?
Actually this was the original statement.
Quality of leadership includes likely electability which is discussed above.
Your post (as you now claim, after calling Brits idiots) was essentially a “I know you are but what am I?”. Glib and basically irrelevant to the discussion.
Theresa May is not a good leader- so what? She beat him in the last election and is ahead of him on head to head polling. This is despite Grenfell, her 2017 campaign disaster, her Government being censored by Parliament, mass resignations, a huge number of her Party not voting confidence in her, the largest Commons defeat for nearly a century for a Government and making an overall balls of the Brexit negotiations.
What were you actually trying to come in with other that trying to deflect onto her as some form of defense mechanism.
Coalition building? He refused to talk to May and he’s trying to deselect labour MPs that don’t share his twisted anti western view. Don’t make me laugh.
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Which came first the shit Government or the crisis?
The Labour party doesn’t know what it is anymore. Corbyn is a throw back to the pre Blair times but he’s trying to operate in a party largely made up of New Labour types who have no interest in his Unions or Nationalization etc. It’s like the Tories, two parties within one basically tearing itself apart, one trying to move to the centre the other trying to get further left/right.
Corbyn basically agrees with the Brexiteers though not for the same reasons, so he’s putting up no opposition. Meanwhile his party are completely against leaving the EU but have no one to lead them.
May disagrees with the Brexiteers, but is afraid of alienating them so she’s being led by the vocal element of her party down a path she doesn’t want.
You couldn’t make it up really. They’d be as well off switching sides for the next few months. At least then you’d have someone who believes in Brexit leading the process and some who is against it on the other side.
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He’s a throwback throwback.
Corbyn’s politics was given a chasing from the main party platform in the 1980s as it was unelectable.
And as I said yesterday, for all of the “be loyal to the party and leader” stuff, Corbyn is the man who voted against his own Party whip more than any other politician and was not deselected by Blair.
100 Labour MPs potentially being deselected and they should be loyal.
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More moving of goalposts. You said that the British public were thick. And that it was self evident. You’ve modified now to many. By this evening that could just be some. I’d let it slide normally but you are particularly strict on the exact wording of posts when it suits.
If you’d like to characterise an entire nation* thick on the basis of their passport that’s your business. I would consider it xenophobic. Have you at least lived in Britain at any stage to inform your opinion or is it based on what you read in the news?
I have indeed lived in Britain. If you insist, since Brexit is the expression of the voice of the nation, and Brexit is fairly thick, I am happy to stand by my initial remark.
He offered to talk to May. Again, all I said was he is at least as good as May. She can’t even build a coalition in her own party.
If you think there wouldn’t be a crisis over Brexit were Yvette Cooper or Chuka Umunna etc. Labour leader, you’re spectacularly deluded.
Lines like this are exactly what I’m talking about when I say critics of Corbyn routinely throw out ridiculous stuff.
Any Labour leader who vowed to overturn the result of the referendum would have have been vilified as “an enemy of the people” or some such.
“Spectacularly deluded”, “ridiculous stuff” . It sounds like you’re happy enough at the end of the day to defend Corbyn.
No doubt there would have been a crisis, the Tory headbangers would have seen to that, but potentially there would have been a credible alternative policy for people to coalesce around and the crisis would have been mitigated. He’s been an enabler of May and her madmen to date in my view. If he had even held his party together in some of the crucial votes then May would have been defeated but the “coalition builder” Corbyn (cc @glasagusban) couldn’t or wouldn’t do that letting the madness escalate. Corbyn wants Brexit. That’s the bottom line. Ergo, those who support Corbyn support Brexit.