this thread really is for legends or people who like me have a degree in history - dunph & runt are of course encouraged to post but other than that please keep away
anyway - the thread thesis is - grigori rasputin - his assasination by the british was the pivotal moment in world history last century- he would have influenced the tsar to have pulled russia out of the war- from there ,there would have been no lenin,stalin, reparations from the germans, hitler, atomic bomb,cold war,space race etc etc
what are your views & try to remmeber who the thread is for
What I will say is that your argument is deterministic and really âbad historyâ - how are we do know what Rasputin would and would have done if he had lived? More simply, should historians worry themselves with such impossible questions? We arenât able to read the fucking future after all.
[quote=âTurenneâ]I currently have a degree in History NCC, and am doing a Masters in US Foreign Policy - however, I know fuck all about Rasputin or Russian history.
With this in mind, am I allowed an opinion on this matter?
[quote=ânorth county corncrakeâ]this thread really is for legends or people who like me have a degree in history - dunph & runt are of course encouraged to post but other than that please keep away
anyway - the thread thesis is - grigori rasputin - his assasination by the british was the pivotal moment in world history last century- he would have influenced the tsar to have pulled russia out of the war- from there ,there would have been no lenin,stalin, reparations from the germans, hitler, atomic bomb,cold war,space race etc etc
what are your views & try to remmeber who the thread is for[/quote]
[quote=ânorth county corncrakeâ]this thread really is for legends or people who like me have a degree in history - dunph & runt are of course encouraged to post but other than that please keep away
anyway - the thread thesis is - grigori rasputin - his assasination by the british was the pivotal moment in world history last century- he would have influenced the tsar to have pulled russia out of the war- from there ,there would have been no lenin,stalin, reparations from the germans, hitler, atomic bomb,cold war,space race etc etc
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I think someone like yourself with an arts degree should probably avoid confusing themselves with such questions.
[quote=ânorth county corncrakeâ]this thread really is for legends or people who like me have a degree in history - dunph & runt are of course encouraged to post but other than that please keep away
anyway - the thread thesis is - grigori rasputin - his assasination by the british was the pivotal moment in world history last century- he would have influenced the tsar to have pulled russia out of the war- from there ,there would have been no lenin,stalin, reparations from the germans, hitler, atomic bomb,cold war,space race etc etc
what are your views & try to remmeber who the thread is for[/quote]
interesting question NCC
there is no doubt that rasputin wanted the troops pulled out of ww1 due to the huge casualties but to say that there would have been no lenin, stalin etc would be quite wrong, if anything, the death of rasputin gave nicolas a it of respite from the oncoming of the bolsheviks and so if rasputin had have lived the the revolution may have come earlier and indeed there may have been a massive civil war if the troops had have been home from the front.
rasputin was undoubtedly knocked off by the british civil service though
there is no doubt that rasputin wanted the troops pulled out of ww1 due to the huge casualties but to say that there would have been no lenin, stalin etc would be quite wrong, if anything, the death of rasputin gave nicolas a it of respite from the oncoming of the bolsheviks and so if rasputin had have lived the the revolution may have come earlier and indeed there may have been a massive civil war if the troops had have been home from the front.
rasputin was undoubtedly knocked off by the british civil service though[/quote]
good post - no doubt rasputin dying led to the negative public view of nicolas declining in the short term but millions of people surviving in the war would have abated the bolsheviks even further
The key event here is not Rasputinâs mortality, it is the development of the steam engine many years before which allowed Trotsky to stay mobile during the war against the whites.
What is often overlooked when discussion Russian history and Rasputin in particular was his ability to make Russia seem as big as possible when they were on the offensive, perversely, when Russia were under pressure he was able to make them retreat and close up the space so as to limit the area the enemy could advance into.
My BA is in Politics and Spanish and I only did History for a year so with that in mind Iâll respectfully give this one a miss and allow my fellow legends to impart their wisdom.
this thread really is for legends or people who like me have a degree in history - dunph & runt are of course encouraged to post but other than that please keep away
