Celebrity Deaths 2023

Pancreatic cancer

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RIP

Pancreatic cancer scares the shit out of me

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Im very sad to learn of this. RIP.

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You missed out on an opportunity to say “Heavens knows I’m miserable now” there.

RIP. Dreadfully young.

First of the gang to die alright.

RIP.

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Marr and Morrissey will be out now saying how sorry they are and they wouldn’t give himself and Joyce a penny of the royalties.

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They absolutely blackguarded Rourke. Joyce and Rourke sued. Rourke was in debt and settled for a pittance immediately. Joyce continued with his action and got his just share. The case is a landmark case in partnership law.

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This came to mind as a great Smiths bass lick,
RIP

the judges comments are caustic regarding all parties

Marr and Rourke seem to have made up though, you don’t know what happened in the meantime. But yeah, it was a messy case. I must find where Marr speaks about it in his book to see what he said about it.

Would you not be better off reading what Rourke said in his book?

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Was it not the case that Marr and Morrissey wrote all the songs but it was never documented and under partnership law they were all equal partners in their business

He has a book?

royalties werent disputed IIRC, it was all the other money coming in and that wasnt documented and, putting it kindly, the judge found morrisey and marr less than credible in their evidence

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As far as I know the issue was about the performing royalties, not the songwriting royalties.

The songwriter stuff was split 50:50 between Morrissey and Marr as they were the named songwriters.

The performance stuff was also split 50:50 between the two.

Joyce took issue with the latter and claimed he was entitled to 25% of the performance stuff.

Morrissey claimed that Joyce was always ‘looked after’ and that he agreed to the casual nature of the financial set up. Morrissey used him and Rourke in some solo stuff.

Anyway poor Andy Rourke was fond of heroin and was removed from the band and then reinstated. He fell on hard times and took the offer. To me that was the more wrong part of it - it was obviously accepted by M and M that Rourke had a case and used his bad fortune against him. Or their solicitors did.

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A great clip of Barbarism Begins at Home from The Tube.

Arguably the song where Rourke was most prevalent with his bass,

Morrissey and Marr dancing towards the end leaving the entire sound to Rourke and Joyce,

By all accounts the band was a happy place until just before the split. A shame whet happened.

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what were they

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Morrissey claimed that the judge was a Thatcherite and because Morrissey was anti Thatcher he claimed that the judge did him.

.The judge said, however, that Joyce and Rourke impressed him as “straightforward and honest” although they were “not intellectuals and certainly not financially sophisticated or aware”…

Morrissey “appeared devious, truculent and unreliable where his own interests were at stake” and Marr was "willing to embroider his evidence to a point where he became less credible

there were more barbed comments but i cant find the original judgement

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