Celtic Transfers - 2013 Summer Transfer Window

Since one thick scrote (Renton) here wants to use paedo Tweed as ‘humour’ to smear another sport with and thinks it’s an hilarious subject to introduce, then another thick scrote (mickeee) who says he is a moderator and is making thinly-veiled threats about legal action on another thread , and then another very, very, very thick scrote ( Barstooler Colonial Boy) thinks his buddy is hilarious to bring up Tweedos and paedos but that I am out of order to say anything back to him , well I had better show you this.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/celtic-boys-club-founder-guilty-of-shameless-indecency-anger-over-allegations-suggesting-that-jock-stein-was-involved-in-20-year-cover-up-1.319116

[SIZE=5]Celtic Boys’ Club founder guilty of shameless indecency Anger over allegations suggesting that Jock Stein was involved in 20-year cover-up [/SIZE]

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Celtic Boys’ Club founder Jim Torbett yesterday was convicted of sex offences against three young players. A jury at Glasgow Sheriff Court found him guilty of acts of shameless indecency between 1968 and 1974.

The jury, by a majority, found him guilty of indecent offences against Mr James McGrory, 44, Mr David Gordon, 38, and former Scotland footballer Alan Brazil, 39, between 1968 and 1974 when they were teenagers. Sheriff Margaret Gimblett, who was told that Torbett, of Beaconsfield Road, Kelvindale, Glasgow was a first offender, deferred sentence until November 27 for background and community reports and continued bail. The sheriff warned Torbett that although she was allowing bail he should not assume that when he returned for sentence he would ''retain his liberty''. The sheriff also told him he would now be placed on the register of sex offenders. Torbett, who lives in a #100,000 flat and who drives a Mercedes to his successful Trophy Centre business in Glasgow left court with friends refusing to comment. Two issues dominated the trial - the evidence of the three victims and whether Celtic and manager Jock Stein were involved in a cover-up going back over 20 years. Rumours had circulated for years about Torbett and young boys at the club - which acted as a nursery for Celtic and produced players such as Paul McStay, Charlie Nicholas, Tommy Burns. and current striker Mark Burchill. The alleged cover-up emerged during the evidence of Mr Hugh Birt, 61, the club's photographer who resigned as president of the Boys' Club in 1986. Mr Birt claimed that, after he became president in 1974, Celtic legend Jock Stein told him he had kicked Torbett out the door. He said the matter was all ''covered up'' by Celtic as to why Torbett was put out. Mr Birt said that when Torbett returned to the boys club a few years later as a fund raiser the allegations about him started up again. He claimed he took them to Mr Stein, and told Celtic vice chairman Kevin Kelly about them but nothing was ever done. Mr Birt said when he became president of the Celtic Boys' Club in 1974 the first thing Mr Stein said to him was to ''keep the image of Celtic clean''. The court heard the scandal came out into the open two years ago when Mr Gordon, a taxi driver, spoke to a newspaper. Mr McGrory broke down when he read about it, and Alan Brazil also came forward. A picture emerged of how Torbett as coach to the under-14 and under-15 sides took boys to cafes including the Yellow Bird chip shop in Buchanan Street, Glasgow, and the city's Odeon Cinema in Renfield Street, and to his flat. Alan Brazil spoke of his shock on his one and only visit to the flat when he saw Torbett and young players ''hugging and kissing''. When Torbett sat next to him and pulled his hand on to his trousers and kissed him he made an excuse to go to the toilet. ''I washed my hands and said to Mr Gordon 'I'm out of here' and left.'' He said he never went near Torbett again, refused to go on outings when Torbett phoned him, but he could not say for sure if that had anything to do with Celtic not signing him as a professional. Mr McGrory told Mr John Service, prosecuting, how Torbett started fondling him in his van and how it continued at cinemas, cafes and at the flat. Mr McGrory said sometimes he spent the night in bed with the accused who always told him to tell his parents he was with a team mate. Mr Gordon said Torbett had touched him indecently on one visit to the flat and made indecent suggestions to him on a second visit months later. After the second incident he said he was so worried he pretended to have an injured knee, left the club. There was conflicting evidence about whether Celtic and Mr Stein had engaged in a cover-up to protect the image of the club. Mr Birt insisted allegations about Torbett had been kept hidden for 25 years. Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied every talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: ''He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that.'' In his evidence Torbett said he had started the club in 1966 with the good wishes of Celtic chairman Sir Robert Kelly. He denied being ''booted out'' by Mr Stein in 1974 and said he resigned because of a ''conflict of interests''. Torbett said he had never married because he rarely had time to build up a relationships with women but went out with them. He was not gay. Outside court Mr Tony McGuinness, who resigned as chairman of the CBC recently said: ''My heart and sympathy goes out to the three men who had to re-live what happened to them all those years ago. ''I am very disappointed that the greatest Celt of all time, Jock Stein had to be dragged into this case unnecessarily.''

Rudi your thoughts on Mario Capuano please…

I rate him quite highly, are we being linked?

Yes, strongly.

Very good.

Celtic have confirmed the sale of Kelvin Wilson to Nottingham Forest.

We need 3 signings now - centre back, centre midfield and striker.

[quote=“Bandage, post: 814590, member: 9”]Celtic have confirmed the sale of Kelvin Wilson to Nottingham Forest.

We need 3 signings now - centre back, centre midfield and striker.[/quote]
I concur.

Strange situation with Wilson. I thought he was worth a bit more, but he may have been on a relatively lucrative conract because he signed on a free so we may be doing ok financially, though it’s clear we weren’t overly keen on selling him.

[quote=“Rocko, post: 814641, member: 1”]I concur.

Strange situation with Wilson. I thought he was worth a bit more, but he may have been on a relatively lucrative conract because he signed on a free so we may be doing ok financially, though it’s clear we weren’t overly keen on selling him.[/quote]

Yeah, maybe we took account of getting for him for free too. Can’t really complain - took some diddy team’s best player for nothing, he was a fairly important player in the side that excelled in the Champions League last season and now we’re getting £2.5m to send him back to them.

Striker would be well down the list for me. We need:

[LIST]
[]Centre back
[
]Central midfielder x2
[*]Right winger
[/LIST]
All are more important than getting a striker, Lennon will be trying to fit Commons, Samaras, Forrest and Boerrigter in this season and at most he can play 3 along with one striker. We already have Watt, Stokes and Balde who can play up front - so do we really need four players for one position. Stokes is more than good enough for us, Lennon has treated him absurdly in his time here and he deserves the opportunity.
I’m growing even more tired of Lennon. I’m fed up of his selections that are designed at fitting certain players in the team that badly effects both the balance of the time and also is to the detriment on players who are playing well and deserve their place in the team. During the week we had Mulgrew and Samaras playing out of their best positions and Stokes sitting on the bench after delivering a match winning peformance

Billy Sharp being linked with a move to Celtic. I think he’s probably ever bit as good as Hooper, but I don’t think we need another striker unless we are going to loan Watt out.

[quote=“Rudi, post: 814765, member: 1052”]Striker would be well down the list for me. We need:

[LIST]
[]Centre back
[
]Central midfielder x2
[*]Right winger
[/LIST]
All are more important than getting a striker, Lennon will be trying to fit Commons, Samaras, Forrest and Boerrigter in this season and at most he can play 3 along with one striker. We already have Watt, Stokes and Balde who can play up front - so do we really need four players for one position. Stokes is more than good enough for us, Lennon has treated him absurdly in his time here and he deserves the opportunity.
I’m growing even more tired of Lennon. I’m fed up of his selections that are designed at fitting certain players in the team that badly effects both the balance of the time and also is to the detriment on players who are playing well and deserve their place in the team. During the week we had Mulgrew and Samaras playing out of their best positions and Stokes sitting on the bench after delivering a match winning peformance[/quote]
Stokes was poor for half the game against Ross County and for all of the first leg against Elfsborg. I think he has plenty to offer but he’s not entirely comfortable as a lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-1-4-1. I wouldn’t have gone with Mulgrew in midfield, but that’s more because I don’t think he offer much there, not because I think Stokes is unstoppable.

I think we certainly do need a striker. I don’t expect Baldé to play much and Watt needs far more experience before he’d be a trustworthy loan striker in Europe.

[quote=“Rocko, post: 814912, member: 1”]Stokes was poor for half the game against Ross County and for all of the first leg against Elfsborg. I think he has plenty to offer but he’s not entirely comfortable as a lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-1-4-1. I wouldn’t have gone with Mulgrew in midfield, but that’s more because I don’t think he offer much there, not because I think Stokes is unstoppable.

I think we certainly do need a striker. I don’t expect Baldé to play much and Watt needs far more experience before he’d be a trustworthy loan striker in Europe.[/quote]

My point is that we don’t need four strikers when only one is likely to play. We saw last season that Lennon is fairly unrelenting in freshening the first XI up. The four players that I mentioned earlier - Forrest, Commons, Boerrigter, Samaras - we know Lennon wants to get at least three of these players in the team. So that leaves us with one place for a striker, if he is intent on playing Mulgrew in midfield as he did midweek (or play all four of the aforementioned) then that leaves space for none. You can argue that Watt and Stokes are capable of doing a stint out wide if needed but I think that’s another case of putting square pegs in round holes and will have a negative effect on the team balance.

We’d be much better off chasing a right winger who can offer an alternative to Forrest. That will then give him six options for three place in the system he has seemed to adopt so far this season - (Forrest, Commons, Samaras, new, Rogic, Boerrigter) and three up front vying for the lone striker role (Stokes, Watt, Balde).

What is the most vital area to strengthen is the centre of midfield, if Lennon is viewing Mulgrew and Kayal as options here this season then we could be in serious bother if anything were to happen to Ledley or Brown. We need two strong signinfs here and I’m very worried that Lennon doesn’t see this area as a problem.

I share your concern on central midfield. I’m worried by the lack of stories linking us with a replacement for Wanyama. We have Rogic too of course but he hasn’t been very impressive so far.

I think both Watt and Stokes are more suited to play in the line behind a central striker. I don’t understand why you think we have enough attackers in Boerrigter, Samaras, Commons and Forrest but still think we need a right winger.

[quote=“Rocko, post: 814918, member: 1”]I share your concern on central midfield. I’m worried by the lack of stories linking us with a replacement for Wanyama. We have Rogic too of course but he hasn’t been very impressive so far.

I think both Watt and Stokes are more suited to play in the line behind a central striker. I don’t understand why you think we have enough attackers in Boerrigter, Samaras, Commons and Forrest but still think we need a right winger.[/quote]

I didn’t say we have enough attackers in the four I mentioned. I said that we enough strikers in Watt, Stokes and Balde when only one of them is likely to play - sometimes none as witnessed Wednesday.

When Lennon has his strongest side available he is always going to play 3 of those 4 players mentioned, maybe even all four of them together.

There’s no point in buying another striker when we only have 1 out of 4 on the pitch - maybe none.

There’s every reason to buy another right winger when we may have 4 of the 5/6 on the pitch at the one time.

I’m hearing that we are back in for Finnbogason.

A very good player. Would be a real coup for Celtic were they to get him.

Have you seen much of him, pal?

I understand Celtic have made a bid in the region of GBP £3.25m-£3.50m for him.

Kilmarnock want Jackson Irvine on a season long loan deal and Lennon was set to sanction it. However, he’s now considering keeping him at Celtic for the season ahead having watched him stomp all over the Liverpool midfield yesterday.

[quote=“Bandage, post: 815273, member: 9”]I understand Celtic have made a bid in the region of GBP £3.25m-£3.50m for him.

Kilmarnock want Jackson Irvine on a season long loan deal and Lennon was set to sanction it. However, he’s now considering keeping him at Celtic for the season ahead having watched him stomp all over the Liverpool midfield yesterday.[/quote]
I wouldn’t think that fee would get him. Wolfsburg were rumoured to have bid closer to 5m earlier.

€ or £.