Great input.
Huh? Hey! Hey! Hey!
No pal, I’m all cantaloupe!
Get the fuck out of it I’ve said on numerous threads as many Syrians as necessary should be taken in across Europe.
Except the Muslim ones that want to live by the tenets of their religion and they other ones that you wanted the police to secretly kill.
On Collins and the treaty, was it not written into the treaty that the border would be moved in the subsequent years to include Derry and most of Armagh as they were nearly all Catholics? Plan being that what was left wouldn’t be sustainable and unionists would fall in with us. Dev never enacted this when is was due to happen in the 30s.
Granted Dev was a cunt, but it’s also bollox to assume Collins would have been a great political leader or that the country would have ended up any differently had he survived. Church would have probably been as powerful either way. He was a wanker for blowing up the custom house and destroying 500 years of the state records anyway.
I said that about extremists, not genuine refugees. I clarified umpteen times that I mis spoke when I said tenets of the Muslim religion and meant tenets of extreme fundamentalism, that it was not possible to live in western society believing women should not be let drive and gays killed etc. I see you haven’t learned from the chiding you received from others regarding your inability to debate. As you are unable to debate properly, I have to AGAIN remind you of the time you said you had an opinion, then admitted you made that up, bizarrely, don’t quote me ever again in any thread of this nature please.
Where in the name of fuck did you get this gobbledygook?
I was hoping this thread might engage with something other than the 20th century…
It’s all just whatiifery though isn’t it.
Yes…always.
We cant help ourselves, we are all buried in the past. Stuck in the gutter staring up at the stars.
You are confusing the Customs House and the Four Courts. Dev ordered the disastrous attack on the Customs House in 1921 when 80 volunteers were captured, and the building burned destroying centuries of local government records. There are conflicting theories regarding who blew up the Four Courts, whether it was bombs set by those inside or shells launched into the building from outside that set off munitions within the building.
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Please highlight where I said that you numpty.
From my addled brain. I assumed one of tfk historians like you would educate me on the matter, thankfully Labane is on the case.
Here it is.
In all fairness, whatever one thinks about the casualties of war, losing a bit of paperwork should be the least of anyone’s concerns. I take the point that generations of genealogists have been unable to ascertain with certainty where some Americans great grandmother was born, but given the choice between the two, ultimately I’d prefer to be a freeborn Irishman. Ideally, of course, we’d have had our freedom and all of the ledger books would have survived too, but life isn’t always that straightforward.
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Which was in 1924/25, not in the 30s. Dev in fairness, did quite a bit to “dismantle” some of the worst parts of the Treaty (i.e. allowing our Ports to be used by the British when we had out own army). On the north, all Dev did was what every leader in Ireland has done before and since, give up as most up there do not want to be in an Independent Ireland. He copped on eventually, just like most of his successors to the “true Republic” banner.
On Collins, it is certainly true that there is rose tinted glasses. He was a pretty devout Catholic and once the north was gone we had a 90% + population from that religion. It was inevitable that we would give more control to them but already quite a bit was ceded before 1921 (education).
Collins in his brief lifetime though showed more cop on them many of his contemporaries despite being a ruthless leader in the war. Throughout his lifetime he showed quite a bit more capacity than most them as well. What would have happened with him after the Boundary Commission though is up to speculation. He was still an extremely young man when he assumed the effective leadership of the country at 31 (for a week after Griffith’s passing). He was funneling weapons up north just before his death. Being that young and with that much power has not proven to be a good omen when you look at other young leaders of revolutions attaining power.
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I’ve given this considered analysis a like.
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Henry VIII liked his first wife more
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He wouldn’t have felt the need to effectively start his own church to get rid of her
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England remains catholic saving Ireland from many years of religious based persecution and sectarianism.
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