Changing Irish History

Weak, spineless and cowardly is a great description of Ulster particularly during the plantation years.

I think you also need to scratch up on your history. The plantations in Ulster happened because Ulster had been by far the most volatile and resistant part of Ireland when it came to British rule, we were the enfant terrible of Ireland when it came to accepting foreign rule and the Brits had to deal with that accordingly. The Plantation of Ulster was on a completley different scale to other plantations in Ireland as you were deemed as good little forelock tuggers.

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To borrow the yerra saying.

The Ulster Plantation was the Brits HAMMERING THE HAMMER.

What I’d really change was the failure of the reformation and Protestant religion to take a foothold in Ireland during Tudor England… We would have a united country now, have a strong work ethic, we would have saved generations from the horrors of the Catholic church during the 20th century… Gombeens like Dev wouldn’t have got near power, the land confiscations and the death of our own aristocracy wouldn’t have happened, neither would the famine most likely… The pig headedness and backwardness of the Irish to cling to the corrupt Catholic church is the reason this country is partitioned and has suffered all her woes.

The Northern Ireland State already existed by the time of the Treaty negotiations.

It never existed until Collins acquiesced to the British and sold us down the river.

That’s a serious clamping

Indeed. “Hammering the Hammer”. Which is why they chose to plant Munster first and without delay. And they failed. But they didnt fail in Ulster did they?? Spineless, cowardly and gutless cunts. And Ulster really played their role in the War of Independence too…when it mattered ye did fuck all above there my friend. Then spent the next 80 years crying about it.

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That’s a clamping.

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Thank God the people of Laois and Offaly rose up and threw off the plantation. God knows what would have happened. The O’Moore clan gave the British no other choice other than Plantation to try and quell them, but in time they were pushed out.

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Ulster did not want to be part of a rep because they knew Protestantism is a minority. These were people with money and feared they would go broke and be put down

I think the brits went too easy on bloody sunday.i would change it that everyone in the ground was killed that day.

Secondly id kill michael collins before he ruined our country

@myboyblue and @carryharry trying to ‘like’ and ‘reply’ themselves into my good books here. Shameful carry on. I expected this type of hat-tipping behaviour from the man from Queens County, but I must say I thought the Tipp man would have more backbone.Have ye any respect for yourselves boys?? :joy:

if Collins had been killed in 1916 we would have had a great country, but he was too busy hiding under the bed when the real action was going down and the likes of Dev where out in the thick of it, leading the line. The Likes of Ernie O’Malley had far more about them

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I think i speak for the whole forum when i say, NO.

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Can anyone produce figures on the breakdown per Province of Conscription take up for WW1?

Buddy, I’d be shocked if someone like you owned books, let alone had good ones.

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Yes, I can.

Throw them up.

Please??? Wheres your manners?