Also on the point of the congestion caused on Jones road by pitch invasions, have any of you ever tried to exit through anywhere other than Jones Road when the security boys get on the pitch?
Puke has been hanging around with the Munster rugby set too much. He wants his fireworks.
Normally Iâm a kind of watery cunt who can see the two sides of every argument but the pro - keep them off the pitch lobby are getting absolutely trounced on this argument on any internet fora Iâve seen. The fact that mainstream broadcast media are not challenging Cooney on the blatant mistruths heâs telling, asking him to provide details of insurance claims or asking him to respond to the five minutes grace idea is a joke really.
What do you think of it puke?
FFS
The 5 minute grace period sounds good in theory but I cannot see it workingâŚA load of yahooâs full to the kneck on cider wonât wait 5 minutes and it will end up with stewards getting a few digs when they try and restrain them for the 5 minutesâŚ
Thats what happens now, its confrontational. That would chage if there was a plan and everyone knew it. Fine the yobs, ban them, arrest them, whatever. But what you describe already exists.
Thats what happens now, its confrontational. That would chage if there was a plan and everyone knew it. Fine the yobs, ban them, arrest them, whatever. But what you describe already exists.
I know it does and will only get worse if the 5 minute grace period is brought in IMHOâŚ
Well, weâll have to end it here on this one, and agree to disagree. I think it can be correctly done no hassle at all if people (as in CP stewards & Cops) are trained properly. rightly or wrongly they have to accept people get excited after winning an All-Ireland, its they need to adapt, and be sensible. The way the stewards carry on is not sensible.
Also i think your âthey can celebrate with the team during the weekâ thing is very unrealistic. The buzz will die down over time, the players prefer meeting their old mates and club mates during that time. But people donât really have time to be going around following a team the week after a game. I know your younger and have the time for this type of craic, which i had in '99, but after that people canât do that. Monday night home coming is only other avenue, and the players are even further away then.
No right minded person would object to the cops laying into this scum
But it would only get worse again if they stop them fully surely?
This one proposal would wipe every argument out in one stroke. The players needing to celebrate, the insurance claims, the crushing, all of them.
The only one left is your one that it wouldnât work. Well how then is keeping them off completely going to work if they canât do it for five minutes.
Come on puke, you know thereâs actually no argument against this one. Itâs a completely obvious compromise.
The fact it isnât even being discussed leaves us with no alternative but to think that the whole push behind this is getting the winning team behind a corporate logo in the middle of the pitch and letting off of cunting fireworks.
Benny Coulter knows the score
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8921333.stm
Benny Coulter blasts Hill 16 fence move at Croke Park
Down forward Benny Coulter opposes the fencing move
Down forward Benny Coulter has criticised the decision to erect a new fence at Croke Parkâs Hill 16 to prevent pitch invasions.
Coulter believes Down fans would still get on the pitch if they went on to win this yearâs All-Ireland final.
âDefinitely they would get on somewhere - I donât know what the logic is to this,â he added.
âIf I was a fan and I wanted to get on the pitch I would. I might get a black-eye but I would be happy.â
The GAA has considered fencing off Hill 16 for some time but the tipping point came when referee Martin Sludden was attacked by angry Louth fans at the end of the Leinster SFC final.
The same incident also saw a steward struck by a plastic bottle and Meath substitute Mark Ward assaulted.
The move has received a mixed reception with Coulter among those bitterly opposed.
âMy club Mayobridge has been in a few finals and thereâs nothing as good as when the supporters come on the field and they are slapping you on the back,â he said.
"I would like to see this remain, that if you win fans can come on to the pitch.
âIf, in 10 years time a Down team wins an All-Ireland final and I am supporting them I would hope to get on the pitch.â
Down take on Kildare in the All-Ireland semi-finals at Croke Park on Sunday 29 August.
Thatâs the crux of the matter. They just donât like how it looks and it loosens their grip on proceedings. Croke Park belongs to the whole association, but not really.
Hill 16 fence will create other barriers
By Paddy Heaney
Thursday, August 19, 2010
STUDY the GAA for long enough and you will realise that the fuel which runs the organisation is trust.
While the sophisticates in the media often like to mock county board men for their pioneer pins and their penchant for a ham sandwich, itâs also true that GAA officialdom is synonymous with high moral standards and probity in all affairs.
The significant latitude afforded to GAA leaders allows them to go about their business without being delayed by the democratic processes which afflict other institutions. Itâs the huge levels of trust invested in leaders which underpins the GAAâs entire operating procedure. Unfortunately, the current debate about pitch invasions (or pitch celebrations as I prefer to call them) has raised some concerns about how the GAA is conducting its business.
Old-fashioned values like consistency and openness appear to have been replaced by the spin doctoring of modern politics. At this yearâs Annual Congress, the clamour to end pitch celebrations started with a presentation from ********* who told delegates: âThey cannot all be wrong, and the 96 people who died at Hillsborough, the 66 who died at Ibrox, and the 39 people who died at Heysel Stadium are proof that when pitch invasions occur, when people are crushed against barriers, when exits are blocked, when people move against each other in counter-flows then we have lost control, peopleâs lives are put at risk and sooner or later we will have fatalities.â
Understandably alarmed by these distressing examples, there was no dissent in the Slieve Donard Hotel. The GAA continued to seize the moral high ground when Christy Cooney explained why a 2.8m fence was going to be erected on Hill 16.
At the press briefing, Christy asked reporters: âWhat if a child gets trampled on? Or if someone gets killed?â However, it appears the GAAâs hierarchy is only prepared to raise the question of children getting injured as long as the solution involves ending so-called pitch invasions.
The major problem with the GAAâs brilliant idea of caging 9,000 spectators on Hill 16 is that the barrier presents a greater threat to the safety of supporters than pitch celebrations.
And donât just take my word for it. After his investigation into the Hillsborough Disaster, Lord Chief Justice Taylor was unequivocal in his recommendation that supporters should have ready access to the pitch.
Paragraph 181 of The Taylor Report states: âSo far, no fatality has resulted from a pitch invasion, whereas 95 people died against a fence installed to prevent such invasion.â
GAA officials have been at pains to reveal that there will be emergency gates in their lovely new fence, conveniently ignoring the fact that there were emergency gates in the fencing at Hillsborough.
Interestingly, now that a counter-argument has been raised against the GAA, and they have been warned about the hazards, they have tried to shift the debate.
All of a sudden, after months of raising the spectre of supporters being killed in stampedes, the GAA doesnât want to talk about major tragedies anymore. Stadium chief Peter McKenna said: âI think itâs dangerous to bring in the example of Hillsborough.â Erm? But the GAA has repeatedly supplied mixed messages about its motives for ending pitch invasions and putting a barrier on Hill 16. First it was the cost of re-laying the pitch; then it was the threat of court cases; then the germs on peopleâs shoes were ruining the grass; then it was the hypothetical trampling of infants.
Most recently, the press statement that confirmed the building of the barrier made reference to the events which took place at this yearâs Leinster final.
This meant that in response to supporters racing onto the pitch from the Hogan Stand, the GAA decided to erect a wall at the other end of the ground. That makes sense, doesnât it? Christy Cooney was quick to spot the incongruity. A few days later, Christy was asked if the Leinster final was a factor. He said it wasnât. But when Peter McKenna was interviewed on radio, he said it was.
So, there you have it. The example of Hillsborough can be employed as long as we are putting forward an argument to end pitch celebrations.
But we canât talk about Hillsborough if weâre pointing out that our new fence might actually replicate the conditions which led to 95 people being crushed to death (a 96th died later due to his injuries).
But the reason we are putting up this wall is because of shameful incidents that took place during the Leinster final. Sorry. Thatâs wrong. That has nothing to do with it.
But if you donât want to listen to the GAA then at least listen to the GPAâs anti-pitch celebration bulletins, which are repeated ad nauseam on Croke Parkâs big screen.
We can trust the players, canât we? The GPA agrees with the GAA, but after receiving a promise for âŹ1.1m, theyâre probably going to agree with Croke Park on most things. The GAAâs handling of this affair has been clumsy at best, cynical at worst.
The decision flies in the face of The Taylor Report and it should be abandoned immediately. Unfortunately, it is now abundantly clear that the key objective is to stop fans coming onto the pitch. This has become such an obsession that the health and safety of supporters is now a secondary consideration.
In all probability, the GAAâs plan will work. By and large, people are obedient and submissive to authority. If the Hill is caged, then the supporters in the seats will stay seated.
It will be mission accomplished for the GAA. But at what price? You canât put 9,000 people behind a nine-foot fence and tell them itâs for their own good, particularly when there is compelling evidence to show that their safety is actually being compromised.
Furthermore, itâs not just the members who are stuck behind that barrier whose trust in the GAAâs leadership will be fractured. And thatâs not good â because without trust, the GAA just doesnât work.
Contact: p.heaney@irishnews.com
TV3 news report from yesterday on the fence:
http://www.tv3.ie/news.php?video=26366&locID=1.2.141
Mountjoy-esque. The fucking state of it. :rolleyes:
so basically coulter is going against the wishes of his union & the only comaparable fan to a gga fan is a british soccer hooligan of the 80âs & 90âs
The leaders of GPA are soup takers - under the thumb of Cooney and Duffy in return for official recognition - Cooney says âbend overâ and Dessie Farrell says âhow far?â. Union leaders are actually going against the wishes of their membership - at least thatâs what one can only assume judging by the lack of a vote taken and the stance taken by several of their highest profile members including a founder member. Also the GPA represents a very small percentage of GAA players overall.
unions only vote on important things- other matters the unions can speak on behalf of their members- coulter is a scab
This is a pretty important thing mate, the GAA top brass are actually playing with peopleâs lives by installing a steel bar fence. Coulter who is actually a paid employee of the GAA deserves credit for having the intelligence to speak out about it.
Itâs over. After the failure of the Down fans to get on the field today, this cunt has won. Iâd say he has a self satisfied look on his face right now. 