[quote=âWatch The Break, post: 837510, member: 260â]I can see Cork improving, I think theyâll better prepared for Clareâs tackling in their own half of the field this time, and tactically I think theyâll be more on the ball in terms of taking on the Clare half-backline. The flip-side is that theyâre unlikely to get three goals against the run of play again, and if they are to out-goal Clare 3-0 theyâll have to be doing much better in general play than they did in the drawn game.
The performance of the Clare half-backline is everything. If Cork can get on top in that sector it both cuts off the supply to Collins, Kelly & co. and forces the Clare midfield and half-forward line to play 15-20 yards deeper which disrupts Clareâs game hugely. I think the question is how Cork can do better in that sector. Can they find a way to deliver better quality ball from the back despite Clareâs pressure, or can they do much better in the aerial exchanges and broken ball from their own puckout. If they can do either than it changes the game.[/quote]
I think that is fair. It is a cliche but half back line in hurling is key as it is launchpad.
Clare half back line swamped Cork half back line on Clare puck outs. Cork need to counteract that.
Murphy for Cork will be fitter and better from last game. He got better as game went on.
It often comes down to a break of a ball or a decision though. Analysis afterwards is always skewed by the result when the result can turn on a breaking ball.
If Murphy is fitter now would Cork not be tempted to put him on Collins instead of Kelly? Collins scored three points from play, won six scoreable frees, and nearly scored the goal that would have finished the game the last day. Heâs been hugely influential in four consecutive games now for Clare, much more influential than Kelly in my opinion.
Yes they must be considering that but might be reluctant to give Kelly free rein in case that backfires horribly - they will feel they beat Clare and drew with Clare marking Kelly so why change it. On other hand Collins looks like the danger man on current form
they are the decisions that win you matches though
You made Donegal favourites for the All-Ireland, eulogising McGuinness, then threw him under the bus when you were wrong. Now he hasnât a clue apparently.
You said Monaghan would beat Tyrone and Mayo, then you said Mayo would beat Dublin.
You went for Cork to beat Dublin in football and Cavan to beat Kerry.
You said Gooch couldnât play 11 and Cian OâSullivan couldnât play midfield.
You also think a referee was shit because he was âsweatingâ.
Youâve barely even watched hurling for the last three years.
[quote=âSidney, post: 837529, member: 183â]Is this GAA or AFL weâre talking about?
You made Donegal favourites for the All-Ireland, eulogising McGuinness, then threw him under the bus when you were wrong. Now he hasnât a clue apparently.
You said Monaghan would beat Tyrone and Mayo, then you said Mayo would beat Dublin.
You went for Cork to beat Dublin in football and Cavan to beat Kerry.
You also think a referee was shit because he was âsweatingâ.
Youâve barely even watched hurling for the last three years.
Stick to the Aussie Rules, mate.[/quote]
Lies. I picked Dublin against Cork for a start. And I picked Dublin for football all the way to final.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 837530, member: 273â]Lies. I picked Dublin against Cork for a start. And I picked Dublin for football all the way to final.
This Wooly character was on the radio last night telling of his shock that he couldnât offload a ticket to last years replay just before the match at a very generous half price in the Croke park hotel. Someone then out him in the picture that at that time of the day if you were in the Croke park hotel it was probably a given that you had passed security on all the main arteries into Jones Rd where you would have displayed your own ticket to gain entry.
There was a higher attendance at last yearâs replay than at the drawn game. 82, 274, which was exactly the same attendance as was at the Dublin-Mayo football final.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 837447, member: 273â]Good interview from Davy. Whatever about his game day antics the rest if his management seems spot on.
He is also right about cork. Their performance was much better than people are saying. As mentioned, they took their chances superbly.
The big thing for Clare is Davy doesnât over rate his own team like the rest of the county.[/quote]
Last weeks Sunday Times Denis Walsh had a piece on Pat Horgan.
In both games in Croke Park this season he has hit the ball in open play 7 times. Once every 21 minutes. Scored 1-4 from those touches. I would consider that somewhat of a systems failure that the ball we can get to our best forward (by some distance) is this limited. Winning of the game is in resolving this.
Cork did well to hang in the game, but from being at the match their touch and control, and urgency (in the first half) were a mile off the Dublin game. Clare are a far better side than Dublin alright, but I dont buy that Cork played near their potential.
[quote=âdancarter, post: 837555, member: 122â]Last weeks Sunday Times Denis Walsh had a piece on Pat Horgan.
In both games in Croke Park this season he has hit the ball in open play 7 times. Once every 21 minutes. Scored 1-4 from those touches. I would consider that somewhat of a systems failure that the ball we can get to our best forward (by some distance) is this limited. Winning of the game is in resolving this.
Cork did well to hang in the game, but from being at the match their touch and control, and urgency (in the first half) were a mile off the Dublin game. Clare are a far better side than Dublin alright, but I dont buy that Cork played near their potential.[/quote]
I wouldnât be surprised to see Cork bring Horgan out to try get him more involved in the play, but itâs worth bearing in mind that Corbett at his peak was doing a similar job to Horgan for Tipperary. Not being involved in general play much but doing an awful lot with the few touches he had. The possible danger with bringing Horgan out of course is that there are other duties which go with that and Horgan might not be well suited to them.
Fair point, but they had a glut of forwards who could pick up scores. We dont (or none reliable enough to be sure they would pick up two or three scores anyways). Im not sure that Horgan is strong enough to win ball and break through defenders close to goal to pick up a goal. Better off coming in on a break or something. Wouldnt be surprised see himself and Cronin swapping regulalry during the game.
Horgan has somwhat a disappointing goal scoring record the last few years; got a very skilful but somewhat lucky one against DublinâŚnot many on the scoresheet for good few years before that.
[quote=âSidney, post: 837529, member: 183â]Is this GAA or AFL weâre talking about?
You made Donegal favourites for the All-Ireland, eulogising McGuinness, then threw him under the bus when you were wrong. Now he hasnât a clue apparently.
You said Monaghan would beat Tyrone and Mayo, then you said Mayo would beat Dublin.
You went for Cork to beat Dublin in football and Cavan to beat Kerry.
You said Gooch couldnât play 11 and Cian OâSullivan couldnât play midfield.
You also think a referee was shit because he was âsweatingâ.
Youâve barely even watched hurling for the last three years.
how much potential do they really have?..in their last 2 matches if both Dublin and clare had dropped a man back both of them would have beaten CorkâŚI think Cork are as good as they are going to getâŚClare will win CarterâŚchalk it downâŚ
[quote=âdancarter, post: 837555, member: 122â]Last weeks Sunday Times Denis Walsh had a piece on Pat Horgan.
In both games in Croke Park this season he has hit the ball in open play 7 times. Once every 21 minutes. Scored 1-4 from those touches. I would consider that somewhat of a systems failure that the ball we can get to our best forward (by some distance) is this limited. Winning of the game is in resolving this.
Cork did well to hang in the game, but from being at the match their touch and control, and urgency (in the first half) were a mile off the Dublin game. Clare are a far better side than Dublin alright, but I dont buy that Cork played near their potential.[/quote]
Iâm not surprised by that stat on Horgan. MINd you it could have a lot to do with his marker as well and teams knowing his potential.
I thought that was good from Davy but I should have said earlier, I donât buy all of this âwe just go and play crackâ. They were clearly over coached for Munster game.
As you say if Cork are more ready and Clare drop back at all Cork will win by 5+
However I expect Clare to get close to that again and Cork to match it. It will come down to injuries, freEs and both teams staying with 15.
[quote=âdancarter, post: 837564, member: 122â]Fair point, but they had a glut of forwards who could pick up scores. We dont (or none reliable enough to be sure they would pick up two or three scores anyways). Im not sure that Horgan is strong enough to win ball and break through defenders close to goal to pick up a goal. Better off coming in on a break or something. Wouldnt be surprised see himself and Cronin swapping regulalry during the game.
Horgan has somwhat a disappointing goal scoring record the last few years; got a very skilful but somewhat lucky one against DublinâŚnot many on the scoresheet for good few years before that.[/quote]
Tipp also had two work horses at 10 and 12 though in Bonnar and Gearoid Ryan and I think thatâs what Cork are missing in their attack more than anything else. Granted Tipp were trying to overcome Kilkenny and you had to be ferociously combative to do that but I think thatâs arguably the main sector Cork fell down in the last day.
Cork have efficient and very skilful score-taking forwards. What they were missing was a decent share of the ball. The idea of Horgan pulling the strings at 11 like Gooch or Noel McGrath is obviously very appealing but if thatâs going to work you really need two guys with an animal workrate either side of him to stop the opposition dominating the 50-50 battles for possession and charging out with ball in hand.
