King Henry of Galway (Part 1) 👑

[TheUlteriorMotive]

[caoimhaoin]

You were applauding posters recently for questioning me putting a large lump of blane at mayo managements door for the performances against the dubs.

Yet you are now blaming AC for everything?

You can’t have it each way fuckwit

[carryharry]

Blane? Fuckwit alright.

[caoimhaoin]

A fucking typo is all you have ffs.

Rattled to da max!!!

Pillock.

[carryharry]

Have i hurt your feelings? Can you not regale us of a tale of what someone close to the Galway setup really thinks? Give us an insight into what S&C can do for this Galway bunch.

[GeoffreyBoycott]

@Sidney

The evidence would firmly suggest that Cunningham was better placed to deliver an All-Ireland to Galway than anybody they’ll get in.

Well he’s had ample time, four years and he hasn’t delivered. He had two golden opportunities in 2012 against a Dad’s Army Kilkenny team on its last legs then this year against an average Kilkenny side and he couldn’t deliver. New man, new ideas needed.

[Sidney]

@GeoffreyBoycott

Public perception has nothing to do with it. Public perception wasn’t exactly behind the players in Kilkenny, Cork and Tipperary when they got rid of Kevin Fennelly in 1998, Bertie Og Murphy in 2002 and Babs in 2007 but their successors all delivered an Ireland fairly pronto.

Public perception was a large part of the reason Holmes and Connelly stepped down. Public perception in Cork was always behind the players in all three strikes. Public perception in Derry was behind Eamonn Coleman when the players went on strike over his sacking and was what forced Mickey Moran out after one year. Public perception was what kept Billy Morgan in a job in Cork in 1991 when Frank Murphy wanted him out.

The Babs and Fennelly examples are irrelevant.

@GeoffreyBoycott

Cunningham stood there like a statue for the second half of the All Ireland Final

Managers generally stand still on the sideline watching the play, as opposed to say, constantly doing a little dance on the spot. Have a look at both managers next time you’re at a match.

[carryharry]

@Sidney

Managers generally stand still on the sideline watching the play, as opposed to say, constantly doing a little dance on the spot. Have a look at both managers next time you’re at a match.

When you say generally, well…

[caoimhaoin]

From what i have seen more of the same.

Fans really are fucking eejits sometimes

[GeoffreyBoycott]

@Sidney

The Babs and Fennelly examples are irrelevant.

The view in Tipperary and Kilkenny was that Babs (2005-07), Fennelly 1998 weren’t up to delivering an All Ireland so they were promptly dispatched - in the case of Fennelly after delivering a Leinster title and an All Ireland final appearance. Most relevant examples.

@Sidney

Managers generally stand still on the sideline watching the play, as opposed to say, constantly doing a little dance on the spot. Have a look at both managers next time you’re at a match.

That’s lame.

What I said was Cunningham is passive and not reactive on the sideline.

@Sidney

That Tipperary team had two minor All-Irelands under its belt, six senior players who had beaten Kilkenny the previous week, another senior panellist, and James Barry and John O’Dwyer who would go on to become integral players at senior level. A once in a generation team, in other words.

The by now customary once in a decade Tipperary, All Ireland winning team.

[Sidney]

@GeoffreyBoycott

The view in Tipperary and Kilkenny was that Babs (2005-07), Fennelly 1998 weren’t up to delivering an All Ireland so they were promptly dispatched - in the case of Fennelly after delivering a Leinster title and an All Ireland final appearance. Most relevant examples.

There was no players heave in either example, to the best of my knowledge, so they aren’t relevant, and yes, I’m aware of Eoin Kelly and Brendan Cummins not being happy under Babs in 2007. Both men stepped aside of their own volition.

@GeoffreyBoycott

That’s lame.

What I said was Cunningham is passive and not reactive on the sideline.

Taking off Aidan Harte after 20 minutes id pretty pro-active, I think you’ll agree. So is taking off your captain.

@GeoffreyBoycott

The by now customary once in a decade Tipperary, All Ireland winning team.

Your lack of dispute about the 2010 Tipperary under-21 team being a once in a generation team is noted.

[iron_mike]

Id take that

[carryharry]

@Sidney

Taking off Aidan Harte after 20 minutes id pretty pro-active

In what way was it positive?

[GeoffreyBoycott]

@Sidney

There was no players heave in either example, to the best of my knowledge, so they aren’t relevant, and yes, I’m aware of Eoin Kelly and Brendan Cummins not being happy under Babs in 2007. Both men stepped aside of their own volition.

Players wanted both out. County boards in Kilkenny and Tipperary that typically pull with their players, senior players were listened to and both were discarded without any great fuss or publicity.

@Sidney

Taking off Aidan Harte after 20 minutes id pretty pro-active, I think you’ll agree. So is taking off your captain.

Harte harshly taken off 20 minutes in. Smith taken off about 15 minutes too late. Got himself a needless yellow card, was running around like a headless chicken and at 32 didn’t have the legs for it. Game was gone from Galway by the time Smith was called ashore. Fresh legs were needed there a good 10/15 minutes earlier. [quote=“Sidney, post:2162, topic:17207”]

Your lack of dispute about the 2010 Tipperary under-21 team being a once in a generation team is noted.
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As regards 2010 Tipperary under-21 team, certainly a once in a generation team for success starved Tipperary. Its the only All Ireland winning team Tipperary have produced in the U21 grade in a generation since their 1995 win. From a Galway perspective, the team Cunningham sent out the night of that final in Thurles was an organisational shambles.

[carryharry]

@GeoffreyBoycott

Players wanted both out. County boards in Kilkenny and Tipperary that typically pull with their players, senior players were listened to and both were discarded without any great fuss or publicity.

Correct.

[Sidney]

@GeoffreyBoycott

Players wanted both out. County boards in Kilkenny and Tipperary that typically pull with their players, senior players were listened to and both were discarded without any great fuss or publicity.

There was no heave by the players, no dispute, no public controversy pitting players against management, and thus your point about public perception falls down totally.

@GeoffreyBoycott

Harte harshly taken off 20 minutes in. Smith taken off about 15 minutes too late. Got himself a needless yellow card, was running around like a headless chicken and at 32 didn’t have the legs for it. Game was gone from Galway by the time Smith was called ashore. Fresh legs were needed there a good 10/15 minutes earlier.

When a team loses, substitutions are always judged to be wrong by those with an agenda against the management. C’est la vie. It’s always been that way and will be ever thus.

@GeoffreyBoycott

As regards 2010 Tipperary under-21 team, certainly a once in a generation team for success starved Tipperary. Its the only All Ireland winning team Tipperary have produced in the U21 grade in a generation since their 1995 win. From a Galway perspective, the team Cunningham sent out the night of that final in Thurles was an organisational shambles.

It’s as gifted a team as has been seen at that grade, and well you know it.

[Appendage]

@Sidney

@GeoffreyBoycott

Players wanted both out. County boards in Kilkenny and Tipperary that typically pull with their players, senior players were listened to and both were discarded without any great fuss or publicity.

There was no heave by the players, no dispute, no public controversy pitting players against management, and thus your point about public perception falls down totally.

@GeoffreyBoycott

Harte harshly taken off 20 minutes in. Smith taken off about 15 minutes too late. Got himself a needless yellow card, was running around like a headless chicken and at 32 didn’t have the legs for it. Game was gone from Galway by the time Smith was called ashore. Fresh legs were needed there a good 10/15 minutes earlier.

When a team loses, substitutions are always judged to be wrong by those with an agenda against the management. C’est la vie. It’s always been that way and will be ever thus.

@GeoffreyBoycott

As regards 2010 Tipperary under-21 team, certainly a once in a generation team for success starved Tipperary. Its the only All Ireland winning team Tipperary have produced in the U21 grade in a generation since their 1995 win. From a Galway perspective, the team Cunningham sent out the night of that final in Thurles was an organisational shambles.

It’s as gifted a team as has been seen at that grade, and well you know it.

@Geoffrey appears to have the cut of someone who has had some involvement in the game versus @sid’s journalistic standpoint.

Many many managers have been removed as a result of player misgivings but shrewd county boards have handled it quietly. Galway county board could never be accused of that.

[carryharry]

@Sidney

It’s as gifted a team as has been seen at that grade, and well you know it.

It was a good team alright.

You could argue any of the Winning 2012,13 or 14 Clare teams were equally gifted or better.

[Sidney]

@Appendage

Many many managers have been removed as a result of player misgivings but shrewd county boards have handled it quietly. Galway county board could never be accused of that.

Obviously, pal, but we’re not discussing those occurrences, we’re discussing actual heaves by players against the management, which is why the examples of Fennelly and Babs are totally irrelevant.

[GeoffreyBoycott]

@Sidney

There was no heave by the players, no dispute, no public controversy pitting players against management, and thus your point about public perception falls down totally.

The players in Kilkenny in 1998 and Tipperary in 2007 wanted their managers out. The county board listened. If they hadn’t, who’s to say the players wouldn’t have resorted to the nuclear option. Public perception doesn’t come into it. If the players in Galway don’t believe Cunningham is up to the job (a view they have seemingly expressed a number of times) and the county board will do nothing, they should put up with because the Fidelma Healy Eames of this world will be put out if they bring things to a head?[quote=“Sidney, post:2167, topic:17207”]

It’s as gifted a team as has been seen at that grade, and well you know it.
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Tipperary had a good few fellows who won senior the week before and who have largely underachieved at senior level since. Worth noting also in 2010 that Tipperary needed extra time to beat Cork by 2 points and were pushed all the way by Clare in the Munster final coming from behind to win by 5. Clare and Cork pushed this ‘gifted’ Tipperary team all the way. Anthony Cunningham’s Galway collapsed to the tune of 25 points.