at what grades kev?
No I’m not, I’m talking about the basic requirements to participate in a sport. Individual excellence comes down to a whole range of personal characteristics and natural advantages, individual characteristics give you nno basis for comparing two sports as a whole. If you take a guy who has never played either sport, and introduce him to both at the same time, he will be able to participate in a competitive football game much, much sooner. This is because the basic skills required to participate are by and large much easier to master. Will he be any good? No. That’s something that will boil down to individual commitment and ability over time. But however bad he’ll be at football he won’t be even basically competent at hurling.
Football: Easy to pick up. Difficult to master.
Hurling: Difficult to pick up. Just as difficult to master.
2 years ago they won Intermediate “A” Football, last year they won Intermediate “Premier” f
Football and Intermediate “A” hurling. They are Senior in football now. They’ll rattle the Premier hurling this year as well. The Intermediate hurling is very strong, but it is a big county i suppose.
Football’s just a shit, shit sport Kev, 90% athleticism fuck all skill. WTB knows what he is talking about.
Rubbish. Maybe i’m used to a higher level of football than you, but thats pure rubbish, as i have seen attempts been made.
A fit guy can work on basics and play Junior B football. But not much higher, the same goes for hurling as far as i’m concerned.
Anyway, this is a ridiculous argument about people that don’t exist, or live in Africa. My point was about skills, actual skills. And i’m talking about irish kids. If coached properly one sport is as easy/hard as the other.
If you want to talk about easy sports, look at soccer. A young fella i grew up with is now a professional soccer player in England. His first game was at 15 with my U-18 team years ago. I don’t know of any football playing IC who started at 15. I accept hurling would be hard for a guy to pick up anywhere after 15 really, but how many fellas try that?
My argument is that if someone who can’t kick a ball properly like Ger Spillane or Nicky Lambert can make a successful intercounty footballer then it’s not as much about skill as we’re led to believe.
Ger Spillane has all the basic skills for football, he’s just a little slow, and can be turned easily enough for IC.
But i know what your saying. But has every hurler to win an All-Ireland in the last 25 years been very skillful? I doubt it.
Ok, the freak KK team aside.
No but if you took someone who was say an athlete with a good level of fitness but had never played any type of ball sport before - say a middle distance runner. I guarantee you that it would be easier to get them playing a medium to high level standard of football than it would be hurling. Kicking seems to be an art that’s forgotten about since the introduction of the handpass. How many intercounty footballers in the top 5 counties can’t kick the ball properly versus hurlers in the top 5 counties not being able to hit the ball?
No i agree there has been too much handpassing. I’m far from saying football is perfect, its far from that. I don’t think any middle distance athlete would get to a high level of football, thats my honest opinion.
The foot pass needs to be made more important, no doubt about that, how that is got across i don’t know, but i know i preach about it all the time and show Kerry and the likes in action. But still the best teams over the past few years, Tyrone and Kerry, are expert foot passers. They have other aspects as well, but they still know that 2-3 foot passes down a field into space to an on running player will give you more opportunities to score than any hand passing team will get.
This is still not really my argument though. We’re talking about some flippant comment a hurling snob like Liam Griffen said years ago. The problems in hurling are far deeper than its harder to coach than football. The basic skills, if taught correctly to a young fella (or 20 African 7 year olds) are as easy to pick up as each other. The fact that hurling scares some young players is a total different argument as well before anyone uses it.
You were doing ok until you bad mouthed the messiah. I no longer wish to engage with you on this topic until you retract that comment.
I have no problem with the man really, so i take it back. I’m friends with a team load of hurling snobs, don’t worry.
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Does anyone have the fitzgibbon fixtures for tomorrow?
suprisingly, I have to disagree with Kev here. I’d play both myself, but I think there is far more skill to hurling.
put it to you this way kev, if you stopped playing both for a year, which of them would be easier to get back to a high standard again?
Nicky lambert was also an inter-county hurler Mac, unsuprisingly he couldn’t pick up a sliother either
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They can use all the fancy marketing they want, But 25 euro to go in tomorrow is a scandal in my opinion.
Games like this i’m sure some people will wait till the weather is known weather they will go or not, so an on the day decision will be made. This could cost a guy 45 euro if he brings the 2 kids, or even more if his other half is into it as well.
What kinda freak would go out with a girl who liked GAA?
Did you look at the post? Its 10 euro per adult at the moment, €5 per kid, thats nothing for 2 All Ireland finals?
EDIT Ah right, I see, you’re on about the walk up fee, fair enough, still the weather is good for tomorrow, I’ve me tickets bought, 2 trips to Mullingar in a week is a bit much for my stomach.
agreed, they shouldnt forget that its still a club match.
dont know if i can go till tomorrow morning but the 25e probably means i wont bother, 10e is enough i think.
This also an attempt to get people to buy their tickets early so that you don’t have usual scene of 6 or 7000 people walking down to the hut at Gills Corner 5 minutes before throw-in and then giving out they missed the start.