Copa America

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Messi did get POTT in 2014

Totti is a creator. Always played with a striker or two ahead of him.

Totti played 4 tournaments, one after recovering from a broken leg, one where he was suspended for most of it, another one where he was incorrectly sent off as his team were cheated out of it.

A joke award. A lad who breaks the goalscoring exploits at club level who can only muster one assists in 450 minutes of knockout football. Mascherano and Di Maria were the players who should have got that accolade on the Argentine side.

sounds like he really deserves to be in the top 10 of performers at major tournaments then :smiley: :smiley:

Euro 2000 and WC 2006.

Messi has played at 10 international tournaments and failed to shine at any of them, in fact he has let lesser heralded players consistently lead at those tournaments.

Guys like Riquelme, Tevez, Mascherano and Di Maria have done far more in an Argentina shirt than Messi.

Even the much maligned Higuian has delivered more.

10 tournaments FFS.

Did Totti get an assist at Euro 2000? He got a goal against Romania

He got a penalty against Australia in 2006

And a goal against Belgium.

Created loads of chances against France in a MOTM display.

Del Piero got savaged after Euro 2000 for all the misses he had.

South American football is at a very low ebb too.

ok - so not assists or goals, creating chances is the measureā€¦ ok, but not for Messi, just for Totti and Di Maria, got it.

Messi never did it in the Cup Winnersā€™ Cup. What a fraud.

Messi has played 10 tournaments, why has he never looked like his teamā€™s main man at the business end in any of them?

Why has it always been a Tevez, Di Maria, Riquelme or Mascherano leading?

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You donā€™t seem to have much faith in your position.

itā€™s a fun discussion. Youā€™ve moved the goalposts a fair few times there. The saying Totti missed a load of tournaments while saying heā€™s consistently performed in big tournaments was a particular highlight

Totti being sent off for simulation in 2002 and getting hauled off after an hour of the 2006 final surely diminishes his legacy.

Youā€™re misrepresenting what I said now. I said players who have performed in tournaments, it could be one tournament or 4. The bottom line is Messi has now played in 10, is meant to be the best player in the world, is meant to be one of the greatest of all time and has had lesser lights from his team lead the charge. You donā€™t seem able to argue that point.

He got the POTT in 2014 World cup.

And he was shit.

0 goals and 1 assist in 450 minutes of knockout football.

Totti got the POTT in 2000 with a goal against Romania and 0 assists in knockout football and Italy lost the final too. So equally doesnā€™t count no?

Messi has got POTT in two Copas and one World Cup.