Paudie Kissane, Conor McCarthy and James McCarthy are the selectors.
Kissane was named in the minor management team.
Strange one but however he is known to be a very good coach and he is someone who crosses the breach between skills coaching and S&C so thats an excellent appointment.
James McCarthy is a very good coach too and had alot to do with Castlehavens last few years. A deserved appointment and great to see people being brought thru that way.
Peadar Healy - Can’t say i know much about him as a Manager but he is renouned as an excellent coach and coached Cork in the past.
Conor McCarthy - Brilliant addition. Knows the game inside out and is doing a Masters in Sports Performance and has an excellent mindset.
It seems a little bit of a money decision in some ways however whatever about PH’s management ability (coaching aside) he has made a good start by putting together a management team with massive potential.
The process was a disgrace though and i particularly feel for the 3 first candidates.
Overall positive, lots of coaching excellence.
Youghal got an all-merciful hammering from Blarney in the O’Callaghan Cup. Could be some embarassing scorelines for them coming up in the Harty.
Guaranteed that Kev will have turned on this management team by next August.
Let me make this clear and you can save the post.
I think all people involved are excellent coaches that i have ibserved them actually at work, observed the fruits of their labour through their teams, read their articles, played with one and have heard enough about from reliable others to think we’re in good hands.
Is PH a good IC manager thats able for the attention and media, the ego’s, managing the 3 lads and more et . There is absolutely no evidence to suggest either way, you have to give him time(2 years minimum). Whats positive about it is he is not learning on the job, he is a true coach and has IC experience. It shows the influence of Ger Lane is growing. It shows you don’t have to be an ex-county player for the job. It shows i may have underestimated the influence of the likes of Nick Murphy.
Is he the best man for the job? On present eveidence no. Thats John Cleary.
Has it the potential to be an excellent management team? Without doubt. Its the youngest, most educated, specifically qualified and hungriest management team ever formulated in modern Corks GAA History.
May it be a blessing to get PH instead of Cleary? Yes as Cleary may not have got that management team together.
Do i think this management team can win the AI next year? As of now no. I think it will take a positive year of embeddement, a few positive performances and a real competitive game against the big 3 (win or lose) in Croke Park to get this team going.
All things being even, would Cork beat Dublin next year? No.
Could they best Kerry? Yes.but it has to be CP to lay the demons to rest.
Could they beat anyone else? Absolutely. Talent wise Cork would rank probably somewhere between 2 & 4 along with Mayo & Kerry. Talent only gets you in the door though, it won’t win you trophies on its own.
All-Ireland semi-final appearence would be a good albeit expected performance from Cork next year.beating kerry in Killarney would have a mental positive effect as well and is very achievable.
You’re deluding yourself about Cork’s talent, they’re just not very good. Some decent players there with a very flaky mentality.
You are deluding yourself about mental capabilities and don’t understand what a good management set up can do.
You continue to show this nordie mentality in regards to sports psychology like it was invented by tards like McGeeney.
Leadership is everything. If in 2 years we can say Cork were inly beaten because the opposition were better on the day then they have done their job.
You have one sports performance coach there who doubles ip as S&C, another doing a Masters in something similar. If after that they still have mental weaknesses then fine, judge them in 2 years when they have had the same playing field as Kerry, Dublin etc.
Mentality has everything to do it?
Mayo are prime examples of it, as are Cork. The attitudes of the Cork players was disgraceful against Kildare but hardly surprising, we’ve become accustomed to seeing them roll over when the tide rises on them in the past.
Why do Mayo keep folding when they are at the finishing line? Why for instance did they start making basic errors that they didn’t make for the first 55 minutes of the game when they could see the finishing line against Dublin this year. Weak people blame others for their own failings. Winners are introspective and look at what they can do better. I can attest to that with my Bob Radcliffe Cup winners medal safely stored away, one of the highest graded amateur sports medals on this island.
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The last thing nordies are known for is introspection.
As i say this is a pointless conversation as you lack the knowledge, experience or foresight to rationally judge Gaelic Sports.
We’ll see how Cork get on next year.
I’m a high achieving amateur sportsman. I also manage people for a living. I’m the one with all the endorsements to be lecturing you and my track record on here says I speak a hell of a lot more sense than you.
I expect you’ll be back here in a year’s time screaming obscenities at a management team you are now giving your approval of. Cork’s problems in recent years has not been managerial, it’s been the lack of quality/poor attitude and mentality of the players but you keep deluding yourself into thinking this bunch of players are Golden Gods.
You Have issues fella.
I’m off down the fields with the dogs before a hectic day of sport.
Move your life on outside of this place will ya ffs. You are a pity
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I have reached contentment with myself and my situation, you still seem to be searching for someone/something to blame for all your insecurities and failings, unhappy with your place and status among the people that surround you.
Thats a very 2005 description of me.
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The physio O’Sullivan running the hurlers S and C next year. Big focus on weights and gym work - exclusively for winter . Not clear if any sports psychologist in the mix.
FFS.
Thats a disgrace. Jesus fuck.
Physios are not S&C coaches, they shouldn’t be trying to be. And they are a disaster, usually, when they try to be. They don’t understand the limits in regards to overeaching.
How can a physio do S&C as well?
Thats some joke. Instead of getting 2 S&C like whats needed they merge the physio and S&C. Obviously a money call.
Could be looking back at JBM and DM era as halcyon days next year. Some of the stuff I heard has car crash written all over it. Almost a resignation of not having a real hope next year. Only Answer seems to be that they have to take chances. If they lose Cahalane and Walsh and Joyce doesn’t get back to what he was (assume Murphy is gone again) then not sure what they end up with backs wise.
Couple of things wrong.
- With one S&C coach i would expect if he is doing the job well there to be around 18-20 hours work in normal times with peaks of up to 30 hours. This is why fueld conditioning & Strength coaching should be split. Then you add physio on top of that (even if he does get assisted then its still ridiculous work)
- Professionally this is wrong from Physio. I believe he did a Masters in Sport Physio and heard he might have done some S&C course. However there is absolutely no way you can telle he can write, adjust, deliver programs AND instruct technically AND be a physio. It takes years to pick up faults in movement oatterns. Personally i am learning every day. He could actually end up hurting the players and then having to fix them. Medical teams work together, good ones challenge each other. Physios have put the breaks on me and visa versa. Same with coaches. Thats what High performance is. Who is going to question him? It seems like greed, and maybe thats unfair, but thats what it looks like.
- This is about cutting costs. They are calling Conor Mc a sports psychologist with the football, he is no more than i am. Now i think he is excellent from reading his articles and he is an impressive guy and future Cork manager. But its the cheap route. He will not be paid as he is a “selector”. Now thats his choice, but to call him Sports Psychology is unfair on people who are. And while not the same, it seems like PK is being used similarly in selector/S&C role. And he is also a Cork Minor selector. How does that work? He will be burned out and (apparently) won’t be getting any money for it? Nuts.
- What happened here was…“Lads the players feel we’re not physical enough, we need to hit the gym”. “They don’t want to spend too much” “Ask DOS, he did a sports course” . DOS sees dollars. Job done.
I have worked with physios reaching into S&C before. Its not impossible in certain circumstance if they have lots of experience in actual S&C, however they are generally a disaster. Too refined, technically poor and afraid to push elite players.
The Physio world has taken a bashing in the last few years as alot of their methods have been questioned. In Ireland they are taught more about marketing themselves than sports injuries. The reaction has been to become more S&C and moving into accupuncture etc. With poor results generally. Most physios haven’t a notion what accupuncture really is yet they pass off a bit of dry needling as it. That was to fight the alternatives. Now this is an example of them taking on sports science.
I suppose it comes across as jealousy, but its half being disgusted that Cork again will be under prepared, and half that its just professionally wrong. Its like getting a MD to pull a tooth for you. Ya he’ll have a fair idea whats going on but he won’t have any experience of what could go wrong. Or a Mechcanical Engineer servicing your car. Again, a certain amount of knowledge, but no experience. And to be clear, i was no way in line for any jobs and wouldn’t touch Cork GAA with a bargepole for another few years.
Lot of truth in that.
The search for consensus may kill team
Pulling In different directions already
I got a frightening insight there after a phone call with a mate who would have good insight.
CB men standing up in meetings and calling S&C “codology”.
Its believed that in the hurling at least one of those selectors was planted and KK had no choice in the matter. Wouldn’t take a genius to guess who.
Sad that people carry on like this.
Frank Flannery new hurling coach evidently.