No vaccine for anything is 100% effective, this was all very clear at the time when they were being announced initially.
But they are effective to the point that the virus will become nothing but an inconvenience for those few people unfortunate enough to contract it
Totally agree mate, will you be putting your kids to the front of the queue next autumn though?
What are your thoughts on that vs the absolutely negligable risk that Covid would be for them to contract.
You donât have to answer if you donât want to.
No point in repeating and repeating ourselves.
I can only see â as a lay person â vaccination as the exit route. And there will be booster shots and so forth, down the line. What else is there? And I believe nearly everyone will have to be vaccinated, if the scheme is to work well enough to restore normal life and commerce, which is what we all want. Such remains the realpolitik of this awful situation.
But the question of foreign travel will stay a thorn.
âLet it ripâ is not a card that can be played. I have explained why. The level of disruption, even leaving ethics aside, would be unbearable.
To me, the choice between vaccination and âlet it ripâ is overwhelmingly obvious. But these variants are a serious worry.
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You can forget about the âletting it ripâ option. Just cos you think itâs the way to go doesnât make it so.
The front of the queue?
I have no problem vaccinating my children, will that do you? My wife and I will have a chat about it.
Does it make me a bad parent?
I agree, there is no point in repeating ourselves at all. Iâve done more than enough of it on here anyway.
What I proposed though in my view isnt âletting it ripâ when you can shield and vaccinate the vulnerable.
Time will tell, going to be interesting anyway to see what way it plays out. I genuinely hope the vaccines work, but I have my doubts.
I think youâre correct regarding variants - they will come into play, its inevitable.
Get the vulnerable 20% vaccinated and open up. The risk then is minimal. Let it rip was off the table once the vaccine was announced. We have a way out its just at what point is the risk mitigated enough
I wasnt having a cut mate, just a lot of friends of mine in the real world donât seem to see that coming down the line is all in relation to their kids.
I think youâre aware of my unpopular position, same goes for my family as well - We wonât be taking up these vaccines as things stand. No chance.
Hopefully, weâll able to keep on to that human right. Not looking great though.
@The_Most_Infamous seems to be advocating a let it rip approach. Doesnât want a vaccine and wants to open it up. A bizarre stance to take.
Incorrect Mike, whoever wants to be vaccinated - by all means go ahead.
I donât think pushing people who are healthy and at no risk of covid into new vaccines is the right approach, thats my opinion and I stand by it.
I also donât believe washing hands, cloth mask wearing, rolling lockdowns etc work.
They clearly donât and mandatory hotel quarantines 12 months after weâve had it run through the community is utter madness.
I think once all the vulnerable are vaccinated things should open up, but of course there are question marks over the efficacy of these vaccines.
Iâm not going to change your view, youâre entitled to it. Try not to misrepresent mine though.
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We are at the point where the vulnerable have at least one vaccine. Opening up now will mean a rise in deaths
Very good questions. Not sure if Donnelly even would have the answers to them though.
In fairness the public OIUTF brigade are some shower. Itâs a cacophony of queefs.
Only a matter of time before Terry Prone turns OIUTF.
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Theyâll be dancing in the streets of St Lucia tonight.
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Youâre entitled to your opinion but your opinion is at odds with general medical consensus. What medical qualifications have you got?
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Cheers Mike, and youâre completely entitled to yours. Iâm not trying to force anything down peoples throats.
There are plenty of medical practioners who donât fully agree with this approach either. A lot are saying nothing as their careers would be at risk for doing so etc.
Dr Martin Feeley is a good example,
I donât think you need a PHD in the field in order to have a different view either.
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That was a disgusting episode. How anyone could trust the government response is beyond me.
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I donât have any faith in FFG and the Greens whatsoever, mate
Opposition are worse even - likes of Labour, Social Democrats and Sinn Fein are zero covid zealots,
Peadar Toibin, Michael McNamara in Clare and a couple of the rural TDâs are the only ones asking any sort of coherent questions on this.
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