Coronavirus - Here come the variants

system · February 23, 2021, 12:58pm

Continuing the discussion from Coronavirus - Here for life (In high population density areas).

Previous discussions:

Thomas_Brady · February 23, 2021, 12:59pm

First post

Yesssssssss

TheUlteriorMotive · February 23, 2021, 1:00pm

I had the final word on the last thread.

I’ve no more worlds left to conquer now.

I’ll probably spend a year or two dialling it in on the much less important non Covid threads before retiring.

Biff_Egan · February 23, 2021, 1:03pm

Need more clips of Ben of the family Gilroy, free man of the land, breaking things with hurl(eys) to lighten the mood.

Thomas_Brady · February 23, 2021, 1:11pm

I’m the eejit alright.

glenshane · February 23, 2021, 1:39pm

Tierneevin1979:

@Thomas_Brady regarding your articles on Sweden.

Did you try reading more than the headlines? Sorry, silly me, forgot I was talking to an Arts major.

Third paragraph article 1. Sweden recorded 51,495 deaths in the first six months of 2020, compared to 55,431 in 1869, when the population was 4.1 million. So if we adjust for population an equivalent death rate in 2020 would have been 139,253.

From both articles, the excess death rate was 10% higher than the past five years for the first six months of 2020 and for November, and 40% for the worst month (April). That’s actually low on the scale for western countries, in April Spain was 150%, the UK 110%, Italy 80%, France 70%, etc. If you look at history, 10% excess deaths over a recent time period is about average for a bad flu season.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

Maybe someone has the Irish numbers, Ireland never seems to be reported by anyone as if it wasn’t a country.

You would expect excess deaths in a pandemic, compared to years where there wasn’t a pandemic (like 2015-2019). Adjusted for population, death rates were actually quite low in that 5 year period, one reason for the high death rates everywhere in 2020 (at least in western countries, where the average lifespan is 80+).

If you have read the second article on November deaths (you didn’t, or am I being kind?), it compares to the Spanish flu in 1918 when Sweden’s population was 5.8 million and they had 16,600 deaths. Adjusting for population, that would be 29,479 deaths in November 2020. They had less than a third of that rate, 8,088 deaths, 28% of the 1918 rate. So, nothing like the Spanish flu.

In short, you are an awful eejit.

I was just about to make these very exact same points so I was, but more eloquentish

Sweden owed a huge apology here

mikehunt · February 23, 2021, 1:41pm

Your comprehension skills are lacking a tad. Mentioning Trump was in reference to @Tierneevin1979 calling victory prematurely, much like his hero.

Finland closed their borders to Sweden last month, again.

https://www.thelocal.com/20210127/finland-closes-borders-with-norway-and-sweden-due-to-covid-19-variant

Here’s why, fatalities per 100k from Covid

Norway = 11
Finland = 13
Denmark = 40
Sweden = 121

Denmark’s higher numbers could be partially explained by their land borders with Germany. @Julio_Geordio uses population density to try and explain away Sweden’s figures but this is obviously too simplistic.

TreatyStones · February 23, 2021, 1:43pm

If the likes of @TheUlteriorMotive hadn’t gone mad socializing in various groups in the lead up to Christmas we’d be out the gap now.

Ambrose_McNulty · February 23, 2021, 1:44pm

It appears that the low death rate in Sweden between 1937 and 1946 is really fucking with their Covid stats.

Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy · February 23, 2021, 1:44pm

Once again you are very selective with who Sweden can be compared with.

Who should we compare India with?

Tierneevin1979 · February 23, 2021, 1:53pm

When is that Swedish lockdown happening that you have been predicting for the past year?

Batigol · February 23, 2021, 1:56pm

“But they passed a law?!”

Tierneevin1979 · February 23, 2021, 1:57pm

Sweden drives the lockdown forever crowd insane. They love to cite English publications like the Guardian having a bash at Sweden and how poorly they have done. I mean it should be obvious to any rational person that a 10% excess mortality rate is far worse than the 100% the UK mainland has experienced.

Tierneevin1979 · February 23, 2021, 1:58pm

…and you can’t buy cans after 10PM. A restriction that would cause a revolution in Ireland, the GPO would be sacked again.

Biff_Egan · February 23, 2021, 2:04pm

Ireland’s figures here. Circa 1k or 3% more than recent years

Iggy · February 23, 2021, 2:10pm

TheUlteriorMotive · February 23, 2021, 2:11pm

Batigol · February 23, 2021, 2:12pm

Copper_pipe · February 23, 2021, 2:15pm

Iggy · February 23, 2021, 2:17pm

Fully backed up by the likes of Killeen going on radio yesterday saying that the vaccines don’t work on variants.