What country has done it right would you say?
The Indian government thought they could bat it away but theyâve well and truly been stumped.
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The Chinese have had a poor pandemic but for genocidal-Communists (do you need to put genocidal ahead of Communist?) itâs probably what youâd expect.
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Complete humiliation for the LIDFT posters here.
I would say that China must still in a total mess and itâs all being hushed up.
No if the Chinese say things are ok then they must be ok
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Depends what you mean by had a poor pandemic. Theyâve been a bit like Manchester United in that 5-3 win over Spurs in 2001. A shocking start followed by a dominant comeback performance.
Deaths, ICU numbers and hospitalisations should always have been the metrics they looked at not how many healthy people had traces of dead virus in their system.
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Uh huh.
Thatâs sort of to completely dismiss the simple fact that until vaccinations, there has been a direct link between cases and hospitalisations and deaths.
Itâs to dismiss reality.
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No itâs to question the validity of PCR tests or at least the way we used them here and in other countries and to use those numbers to drive public hysteria and government policy.
I respect your choice to dismiss reality.
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The LITDF lads are now pivoting against the science. Itâs fascist-nation to watch.
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Youâre wrong on the PCR tests.
That aside, pre-vaccination there was a fairy strong correlation between case numbers as a leading indicator and subsequent hospitalisation and death. The trends in case numbers were also very informative as to trajectory of infection in the community.
I agree that this has changed with vaccination program and case numbers are a lot less useful (or certainly 400 cases a day now is a lot less risky than 400 a day last year)
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What do you mean Iâm wrong on the PCR tests? Genuinely interested, a lot of commentary Iâve heard agrees that amplifying it up to 40 times is wrong but glad to be put right on it so I can sound off on it tomorrow over cans.
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The biggest danger of covid is the rate it multiplies, how do you propose to manage that without tracking case numbers? Actually lots of places monitor waste water and thatâs a good measure, but still, case numbers were important. Theyâre not so much any more.
Iâm not saying case numbers should be completely dismissed Iâm saying how they were counted here and how they were reported and drove government policy was wrong. Why can the other metrics be the main driver now and not before? 80% of the population are yet to be vaccinated.
Maybe they vacinnated the most vulnerable first?
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You cant accept the notion of pcr tests being used inappropriately without accepting that many deaths were recorded inappropriately. Itâs part of the perfect storm really. Increase testing, misreport deaths, track and trace leading to both irrelevant and false positives. Itâs a system that feeds off itself and the same lads that talk about exponential growth in the spread of the virus cant see that there is exponential growth in pcr testing and positive results.
Both death rates and positive results rise, therefore they must be linkedâŚunless you test mostly in schools where you dont see deaths, which makes shit of your argument, unless you coincide it with the vaccine rollout, and the summer if you feel so inclined. Itâs a nice tidy highly profitable shitshow of a mess.
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The LIDTF crew deserve enormous credit. They urged caution from the very start. They told the OIUTF to âhold the lineâ and that the ânext couple of weeks were crucialâ. It was important that simple slogans with short timelines were used as the hysteria levels meant anything more complicated would not have sank in. They calmed them when they believed the scaremongering that a vaccine wouldnât be found for 5-7 years.
The vaccine is here and it works. An incredible vindication for the cautious and patient approach urged by the LIDTF. What I look forward to, along with life going back to normal, is the mental gymnastics about to be displayed from the OIUTF as they explain to us how they were right all along and we should have opened up before a vaccine was found.
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