Coronavirus thread - 19/10/2020 - The Day Ireland Died

[EstebanSexface]

I seriously hope not. A bit more adherence to the guidelines and hopefully we can pull back the number of cases, incidence and capacity issues.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

@dodgy_keeper

Holohan, and NPHET, have pretty much had a free ride since everything kicked off. Almost universal fawning from the media for the amazing, brave job they’ve done. At the daily press conferences they’ve barely faced a challenging question, and been constructively queried over decisions (face masks useless at the start, a few months later they are imperative in saving lives etc).

Getting rolled out on The Late Late and being hailed as a modern day Cuchulainn, given the Freedom of Dublin, government Ministers lauding them nonstop. It has created a situation where NPHET - an unelected body of civil servants, doctors and immunologists - have been given carte blanche to do as they please. Answerable to nobody, even the government. Look at the contempt Nolan showed when the GAA had the temerity to ask for the scientific data behind banning people from attending outdoor matches.

It all came to a head when Holohan returned. Like most of the politicians he seems to have a substantial ego. He rides back into town, expects the government and the public to dance to his tune like all along.

The sad thing is that the cabinet haven’t stood up to him for the right reasons, they’ve done it for their own political purposes. SF are flying in the polls, the more demoralised the masses get the more likely they are to jump over to a party who have a magic money tree to solve all our ills. Another lockdown would have led to even more disgruntlement. It was grand being stuck within 2k or 5k in March and April with the fine weather but a different kettle of fish in deepest, darkest October and November.

The power has gone to the heads of these celebrity medics and it was no harm to see them put back in their box.

People are weary and tired of the whole thing. NPHET, that weasel Simon Harris and his little Bosco voiced tweets, Sleepy Eamon Ryan not knowing what’s going on, the Tánaiste consistently undermining the Taoiseach, the never ending scare mongering of RTE, not being able to properly visit family and friends, cunts with camera phones looking to record anyone out enjoying themselves.

I was meant to be off to Liscannor this weekend. I’m just browned off with everything. I think an awful lot of people are the same.

Fucking Chinese.

the GGA are super spreaders

[Thomas_Brady]

Like your wife

[Thomas_Brady]

@Thomas_Brady

Like your wife

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

@Thomas_Brady

Like your wife

[Tim_Riggins]

@EstebanSexface

Alan Kelly is in the opposition. Varadkar is Tanaiste and has to work with NPHET on a national crisis that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Yeah but the point was a broad based one from Varadkar. It wasn’t necessarily an attack.

[EstebanSexface]

it undermined NPHET. Martin’s speech was stern on the approach without undermining NPHET.

It was an attack mate

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

Leo is a proper politician. You have to have the bit of a cunt in you.

Nice guys finish last.

AK47 is a power hungry arrogant prick, but works hard and gets shit done.

[Batigol]

I think you are misrepresenting what I said it the post and have started saying I advocated them as policies to follow. Aside from Sweden, which I advocated from the start (and am more than happy to defend my point of view on that), I mentioned nothing in the last two posts about policy. I merely stated that having people walking around having already beaten the virus would help stop the spread of it now.

The WHO reckons 10% have been infected. That’s over 22 times the official amount recorded. If we are at that level, it would be 836000 cases in Ireland. Going conservative and halving it as our rate has been relatively low, gives 418000 people in Ireland who’ve had it.

[Copper_pipe]

Seán Defoe (SeanDefoe)

[Copper_pipe]

Ciara Phelan (ciaraphelan_)

cc @dodgy_keeper

[glasagusban]

@Batigol

I merely stated that having people walking around having already beaten the virus would help stop the spread of it now.

And there is absolutely no evidence to support that. And we know it’s possible to contract it twice.

You really are talking scutter.

[EstebanSexface]

I don’t think you understand herd immunity. Having people who have “beaten” the virus walking around would have no impact on lessening the virus at such low levels of infection. In your model there at 5% infection (approx) there are still 95% out there who haven’t “beaten” it. Herd immunity estimates are 60% to 70%

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Did anyone clock how Martin kept saying “ketch” last night rather than “catch”?

What a dimwit.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Herd immunity only reaches herd immunity one way.

The problem is the health service, it’s clear as day.

[alf_stewart]

Back in January pre corona…(we think) …the country really should have been locked down then going by the current narrative…The hospitals were overrun with sick people.

‘The INMO figures for today show that there were 547 patients waiting for a bed this morning, with UHL the worst affected with 63 patients.’

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0102/1103925-hospital-overcrowding/

[Batigol]

I never mentioned herd immunity.

People who have beaten the virus will be, for a time anyway, immune from it, depending how long the antibodies last for. My post suggested that having them around, will mitigate the spread of the disease, to some extent. I would, personally be of the belief that quite a few more have had it, but that’s neither here nor there.

[Copper_pipe]

Mattie McGrath criticising Dr Tony Holohan saying he was like “John Wayne coming back in with the six guns” to shut the place down

[Thomas_Brady]

We all know it’s way higher than 5% … most people are asymptomatic.

[myboyblue]

Thats all the confirmation we need. Leo did the right thing. Michael knows.