Coronavirus thread - 19/10/2020 - The Day Ireland Died

Biggest problem areas are the far side of the M50

Just thinking here about the carry on of yesterday.

Billed as the day where things are clear for everyone, following communication issues that occurred previously. Everyone would be clear of the levels that exist, what would need to happen for levels to move and what happens in each level. Possible then for everyone and businesses to plan for the next six months insofar as possible.

Then along comes Dublin. Numbers flying up in terms of cases. NPHET recommending measures last Thursday essentially coinciding with previous county ā€˜lockdownsā€™ in Kildare, Laois and Offaly. That worked. The Government held off announcing restrictions for Dublin until this super plan was launched. Surely the Dublin situation would serve as an ideal example as to how this all important plan would work for the next six months.

But no. An utterly bizarre state of affairs where Dublin is not assigned to any level but somewhere between 2 and 3. So the certainty, to the degree to which itā€™s possible in these times, of knowing where we stand in terms of what goes on at each level, when levels can be moved is taken away immediately. The whole plan completely discredited.

Martin has to take the blame. He has looked woefully out of his depth since taking the job and this is causing the utter disaster which we are currently seeing in government. But any cabinet member who was happy to agree to such a situation must take a long hard look at the themselves as the sheer incompetence on show at the moment is breathtaking.

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I think the best way to handle it would have been. Everywhere is a two at the minute. But thereā€™s a NPHET meeting Thursday and there is a strong chance Dublin will be moved to a three if things remain as is.
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But didnā€™t NPHET make recommendations last Thursday?

Does this go back to the usual ā€˜blame NPHETā€™ type situation? That drives me fucking mad!

Itā€™s the Flu dā€™Ć‰tat.

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Realistically, different criteria will be applied to Dublin as the economy is given a higher weighting. Dublin will be given more rope before harder restrictions kick in. But for social solidarity you canā€™t formalise that message so you get this farcical situation where you are trying to fit Dublin into a roadmap that is designed with the rest of the country in mind

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Itā€™s that and that they bottled it on the pubs. Keeping them closed whilst they can open to a degree on Level 3. They undermined their entire plan with that.

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The Irish are very stupid, they donā€™t understand the meaning of the word ā€œadviceā€. That lack of maturity from the public and the media that youā€™re highlighting there is part of the reason that we couldnā€™t have a mature Swedish-style response.

Bit like being married really.

Yeh, keeping the wet pubs closed in Dublin impacts the industry but not so much the general population who broadly speaking can access a gastropub nearby. NPHET probably didnā€™t want to open any pubs and I suspect what we have is a messy compromise where the rural pubs get to open as they are more critical to local economies and social interaction and there is a larger outcry from the general populace on their closure while Dubs get to make do with the gastropubs

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Very insightful.

It just shows that they donā€™t actually feel pubs are an issue. Happy to keep them open in stage 3 but canā€™t manage it on stage 2.5 just to be seen to be doing something.

The restrictions are not working. Open things up

@EstebanSexface come out ya bowsie and defend your shitty rat-poison government. You said about these posters ā€œpeople wanted a roadmap, now thereā€™s a roadmap and theyā€™re still not happy.ā€ Thereā€™s no roadmap! Thereā€™s no dates on the thing and no explanation of how you move between one stage and the other. You talking shit about these lads and your eyes blazing with a consumptive madness!

100 cases per 100,000 as a high number justifying a lock down seems made up. Itā€™s one in a thousand.

Like the 15 minute rule from March. They are making it up. The health authorities have form in making up arbitrary numbers and guidelines.

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I havenā€™t looked at the thing but is this not based on covid numbers?

Vaguely, itā€™s not really clear. Martin seemed to basically say it was deliberately up to the governmentā€™s interpretation.

Yeah, whatever they make up on a given day. Tell you to one thing but advise you to do another. That kind of craic.

I donā€™t give a fuck either way pal.

Itā€™s on PAGE 15!

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Esteban you have to agree this is nonsense ? Like Iā€™d follow the rules for the most part but there is no logic or science to some of this stuff. Itā€™ll come back to bite them as well. As far as I can see most people are willing to wear masks and wash their hands but after that they donā€™t really care anymore.