Well hang on, Iāve been strongly OIUTF throughout but dont we OIUTFers want old and vulnerable people to cocoon themselves for as long as it takes while while rest of us carry on with normal life? Maybe even longer than 9 months?
Iāve heard both arguments very clearly. The least unfair solution would be an Italian-style āvaccine passport / negative testā system.
You seem absolutely desperate to bring this back to your Gurdian talking points on the GBD. This is what was said to you bringing it up to me before, do not lie
Letās keep to what this is about. Pretending that these arenāt a big departure for western societies and that the way theyāve been brought in was on the back of good debate is nonsense. We had months and months to properly debate them, you give conspiracy theorists oxygen when you say that you wonāt bring them in but then ram them through at the last minute.
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Yes, I read The Guardian every day. So what? It is an excellent paper. I also read a lot of other newsprint. I will pass over the childish gibe, as if reading The Guardian defined my views. It does not, which is what makes people like you uncomfortable. I do not fit in any neat little ārightā or āleftā box. I like to think for myself.
You seem extraordinarily keen to keep asking me questions. Why, I do not understand.
I will confine myself to noting that the idea of vaccine passports as in tune with a central plank of the GBD makes you uneasy. If people think about matters a little deeper, without being in hock to right wing shibboleths, many things become apparent. Of course, the GBD is a crock of right wing shite, the usual stuff from the usual suspects. And the fact that sundry ālibertariansā are now terribly put out about vaccine āriskā and vaccine ācurtailment of freedomā makes me coldly laugh. The ultimate freedom is not to become seriously ill or die.
Vaccine passports are here to stay for the moment. What would answer your criterion (āon the back of good debateā) is hard to say, because you are rigidly anti anything that derives from state action and so cannot think properly about such issues.
Given time, life will return to something approaching normality. But there are going to be a lot of difficult cases around employment.
In terms of how we responded, that is generally it. The measure introduced was inconsistent across sectors. Gyms have been super spreader locations, why not for them too? If Delta really changed things, why not there?
Itās a blatant attempt at increasing take up. In the U.K., Rabb has admitted it. Macron has admitted as such. Tbh I donāt have a problem with people being honest about that, but it should been upfront.
If this site is still here in ten yearsā time, that kango line is one the few that will endure. Really got under OIUTF skin, so it did, so it did,ā¦
my post above says that I didnāt agree with their strategy overall
Iāve said on balance that Iād have taken VPs a few months ago like they had in Denmark. If take up had been low in Ireland, Iād have taken the civil liberties hit
My issue is with how theyāve been brought in, administered and also how disagreements with them are met by the likes of yourself. @Horseboxās point was very valid.
No, it was not. He was just using the emotive topic of a pregnant woman ā in vulgar fashion, to my eye ā for making a typically shallow point.
Whether (pregnant) unvaccinated women can eat inside a pub is not one of the many terribly difficult issues facing the country. To pretend this issue is central can only seem risible to any sensible person.
I like my freedom in concrete terms. And I prefer to be in a pub where everyone else there is vaccinated. I believe the great majority of people in Ireland feel the same way. Why? Because they are, largely, sensible and pragmatic and not in hock to right wing shite.
If there was a Venn diagram of odious people, it would contain, for starters, Toby Young, Laurence Fox, Brendan OāNeill, Claire Fox, Darren Grimes, Dolores Cahill, Gemma OāDoherty and John Waters. I mean, there is also a question of taste. Who in their right mind would want to be on the same side of any argument those deplorables would makeā¦
Those who supported the Covid equivalent of the fake ādeclarationsā denying climate change and the link between smoking and cancer should never be let forget it.
Youād want to stay out of hotels then or the restaurant I was in yesterday somewhere in the midwest of Ireland. Wonāt mention the name. No talk of covid certs, we didnt wear masks going in and were given the choice of indoor or outdoor dining.
We chose outdoor. Food was great as well. Weāll be back.
Vulgar fashion you are easily the most vulgar poster on this site. Your default mode is insulting people or threatening them with violence. You and your fellow zero nutter on this site who pretend to be so caring and empathetic for society are also the most unpleasant posters to engage with and also the most supportive of extremist exclusive social policies. Square that circle Mr Lothario.
I brought up my pregnant friend because it was a real world example of how these restrictions are completely unfair but of course the caring wokesters on here have decided that she is a fucking idiot for wanting to go for a meal. The mental gymnastics ye dangerous cunts do to justify your extremist ideologies is quite something to behold.
Say the same about a minority and see where itāll get you.
You reacted negatively to it because you know it is a valid point on the issues surrounding this, but as youāve gone Super Covid you pretend as it is ārisibleā.
I know you might like your own security blanket as a presumably older member of society, but thatās not how society works. The concern by pregnant women is a valid one, I assume you are happy enough with vegans being exempted in the U.K.?