Coronavirus Thread (Markey hates Immigrants )

[glasagusban]

You’ll do anything to avoid the point. MHQ is an unfair measure because it disproportionately affects weaker people in society. It is unfair because there is no transparency to it: what are the criteria for a country to get on the list? None. What are the criteria for a successful appeal? None (unless you can afford a high court appeal, then you’ll be let out). It is also unfair because it is disproportionate to the point of being stupid. Locking up people who have tested negative while people who test positive in Ireland can carry on about their day is unfair, pointless, stupid, ridiculous, laughable, and anything else you want to add there.

[Cheasty]

@Batigol

There are people in Ireland who bury their heads in the sand and can’t seem to acknowledge that 1000s of people move here to work from different jurisdictions, pretty much all of them essential workers. They walk out carrying variants with them whilst others get charged 2 grand to be locked away for a fortnight

Can you explain exactly how people are “burying their heads in the sand”?

[glasagusban]

@Cheasty

I wonder at what point people might start to acknowledge that mandatory hotel quarantine, unevenly applied and imperfect as it is, might have contributed to this continuing fall in cases?

If you believe that I genuinely think you are an idiot.

[glasagusban]

He’s given a couple of clear examples of it in his recent posts.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

You’ll do anything to avoid the point. MHQ is an unfair measure because it disproportionately affects weaker people in society. It is unfair because there is no transparency to it: what are the criteria for a country to get on the list? None. What are the criteria for a successful appeal? None (unless you can afford a high court appeal, then you’ll be let out). It is also unfair because it is disproportionate to the point of being stupid. Locking up people who have tested negative while people who test positive in Ireland can carry on about their day is unfair, pointless, stupid, ridiculous, laughable, and anything else you want to add there.

Everything about this pandemic disproportionately affects the weaker in society.

Mandatory Hotel Quarantine affects the weaker in society to far less of a degree than the virus or internal restrictions or forcing people to work.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

If you believe that I genuinely think you are an idiot.

Calling somebody an idiot is not an argument.

[Batigol]

Ah I was only really talking about you. You’ve told me no truck-drivers or seamen use the airport.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

He’s given a couple of clear examples of it in his recent posts.

He hasn’t.

[Cheasty]

@Batigol

Ah I was only really talking about you. You’ve told me no truck-drivers or seamen use the airport.

Lay out exactly when, why and how they do, and how often.

[Batigol]

How often every individual truck driver uses the airport? Will I contact every haulage company?

[glasagusban]

@Cheasty

Calling somebody an idiot is not an argument.

I’ve made an argument.

You’ve offered nothing to contradict it bar “sure it might be doing some bit to help we don’t know but it’s better than nothing.”

Now that is not an argument.

[glasagusban]

@Cheasty

Mandatory Hotel Quarantine affects the weaker in society to far less of a degree than the virus or internal restrictions or forcing people to work.

Also not an argument.

[glenshane]

@Tank

The blood clots are all women.

What data is being collected and reported on regarding side effects…particularly long term side effects…and throw in a few studies regarding effects on fertility, pregnancy, birth defects etc…the standard sort of data that would go along with granting approval to a new treatment?
(I think reports of myocarditis mostly relate to young men)

[glasagusban]

He gave you the example of his two essential worker colleagues. We prefer not to test them than use antigen tests. That is a strong example of Ireland’s ostrich approach.

[Cheasty]

@Batigol

How often every individual truck driver uses the airport? Will I contact every haulage company?

Well you’re the person making the argument. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for you to be asked to elaborate on it.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

I’ve made an argument.

You’ve offered nothing to contradict it bar “sure it might be doing some bit to help we don’t know but it’s better than nothing.”

Now that is not an argument.

The only “argument” you’re offering is bitching against it. That’s not an argument.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

He gave you the example of his two essential worker colleagues. We prefer not to test them than use antigen tests. That is a strong example of Ireland’s ostrich approach.

He works at the airport. People who work at the airport don’t need to travel. If they don;t work at the airport they aren’t his colleagues.

[glasagusban]

Wrong.

[Cheasty]

@glasagusban

Wrong.

If you work at the airport, why would you need to travel internationally?

[Batigol]

I’ll indulge you. Truck drivers in Ireland are mainly Eastern European (though I’ve seen a lot of South Africans recently too). Truck drivers get old and retire, get sick, get sick of it, haulage companies expand. All of that requires new drivers. It also takes two or three drivers to complete very long journeys. One driver might fly ahead to meet the truck. If I had to quantify it I’d say there’s dozens of them a day.

Seamen are rarer. Less than 10 a day. Same logic. Replacing existing seamen. Change of crew.

All exempt from tests