Ok. Continue to ignore any reasonable points made to you.
If you like you can also continue to make up things other people have said and argue against them instead.
Iām sure you can find someone else to post long winded repetitive nonsense at for a few hours. Labane will be online before too long, heās about at your level.
Your posting for a long time here has been very pro-travel and making travel as easy as possible, you furiously objected before when I said travel was a major contributor to spread, but now you seem to have pivoted to acknowledging that it is a major contributor?
There you go there now making up the things again. Iāll leave you off now because I donāt think you actually want to discuss anything in good faith. Your responses have been to ignore reasonable points, attribute things to people they didnāt say, and generally be a bit snide. I feel a bit silly now for trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. Iāll leave you off to labane or maybe Fulvio who Iām sure will give you what you want and ye can exchange pointless long repetitive diatribes at each other to yeāre heartās content.
To me, a lot of the typical hard āleftā people are actually more interested in being anti-right than anything else. Rights are anti lockdown, lefts are pro lockdown.
15 months in and it is clear that there is no āsolutionā to this. Itās all about balance and it is a very difficult job to manage. It is clear that there should be some restrictions but the zero covid approach of Australia and New Zealand is lunacy in my view, particularly when it has been suggested that it should be applied here. Peopleās liberties are impacted. The good news is that we have vaccines now and they should help hugely but not eradicate the future threat. I have said from the start that the virus is in control and we have been scrambling to keep up with it reacting as necessary. We finally look like being able to breathe.
Iām anti vaccine but itāll just be a pain to travel to events particularly in England and around Europe also so Iāll just get it done to avoid being left at home.
Good timing. All restrictions lifted here today, as far as I know there are only a few states that have not fully reopened. There are still a few mask recommendations for indoor settings.
On MHQ, air travel is low risk due to air flow and filtration in cabins (and everyone wearing a mask), this has been confirmed by several studies. Even if there is a Covid + person on the plane other passengers do not get infected. More conformation that Covid spreads in indoor settings where air circulation is poor. Combined with testing before and after travel air travel is very low risk. The risk of catching or spreading Covid in a shop would be much higher in my opinion, a risk that goes up with customer traffic as the virus can linger for hours in the air.
Looking back leaving shops (especially supermarkets) open was probably the biggest mistake made, we should have transitioned to home deliveries early on. Would have kept a lot of people busy as well who were out of work.
On natural immunity versus vaccine immunity, the studies are looking very solid now that natural immunity is both strong and long lasting for most people. Over a year after infection most people who have had Covid have retained immunity. An encouraging data point is that people who were infected with SARS-1 still have immunity 17 years later. There isnāt enough data yet to say whether vaccine immunity is as strong as natural immunity or how long it lasts, but early indications are good.
Based on that antibody testing should be more widespread as anyone who has had Covid is as safe as anyone who has had a vaccine.