The vaccines work.
What are the figures for breakthrough disease?
Anybody who will not get vaccinated is a fucking moron and is well and truly down the right wing rabbit hole of stupidity.
A few cases in point above, those believing the disinformation agent and arch-grifter Alex Berenson.
Children should not be wearing masks for hours on end, it is very unhealthy and they will not develop immunity against anything is they donât get exposed to normal pathogens that a normal immune system would fight off.
Of course you know âbetterâ. Of course you would.
We have no idea what the numbers are of breakthough infections as the CDC stopped reporting them on May 1. We have data collected by NBC from a subset of states that says breakthrough infections are increasing. The CDC have been very poor on their communications lately, leading to a lot of confusion, masks not needed by the vaccinated, now needed, etc. It is incomprehensible that they are not reporting breakthrough cases when breakthrough cases are rising.
Vaccines absolutely work to protect the vulnerable, the data is very clear on that. The benefits of vaccination to young healthy people are debatable, which is why young healthy people are questioning whether they should take a novel vaccine or take their chances with a novel virus. As we saw from the MA data, 99% of both vaccinated and unvaccinated infections did not require hospitalization, 1% of each group did.
Itâs not black and white except for those that see in black and white.
Some things are very much black and white.
Vaccines and masks are black and white issues. People should get vaccinated and mask up wherever they need to.
The masks that 99% of people including children are wearing donât work mate, and are utterly useless against the Delta variant. Suppressing childrensâ immune systems is a far bigger problem than Covid, look at the surge in RSV for example.
No it isnât.
Itâs a right-wing Lord Of The Flies type version of fake âfreedomâ narrative, pushed by nutters.
You will see this winter, bookmark this post. The risk to children from Covid is the same as the risk from flu, that risk goes up if they do not develop healthy immune systems.
Iâm not arguing against vaccination, I would recommend that every adult get vaccinated. But for young people in the 20s and 30s, the issue is not as clear as most of the media are promoting, and the narrative is falling apart as breakthrough cases increase. More and more people are getting sick from Covid, vaccinated or not.
Who exactly are young unvaccinated people threatening? The vaccinated? If thatâs your argument then vaccines donât work. The threat to themselves is minimal, at least 99% do not have serious disease (itâs actually much higher due to asymptomatic cases). As you say itâs their risk, let them take it if they wish.
The reality is everyone will get Covid, vaccinated or unvaccinated, and likely multiple times over the next decade.
The people you regard as Covid gospel have been consistently wrong. SAGE and Independent SAGE who you constantly quote predicted a disaster if the UK fully opened up on July 19th. The two disciples of SAGE on this site (yourself and malarky) said there would be a surge of cases, hospitalization and deaths after July 19th if the reopening went ahead.
The opposite is happening, cases are dropping since July 19th. Why is that? Could it be that they and you both are wrong.
You said RSV is a bigger problem than Covid.
It isnât. There were 33 million cases of RSV worldwide every year, pre-pandemic.
And the RSV crisis is at it worst in the US in places which let the virus rip the most and were anti-mask the most.
If thatâs your argument, your argument is that only a minimum amount of people need to be vaccinated, an argument that is made by the worstâs very worst people.
Your argument is that vaccination in Ireland should stop right now, and stop right now everywhere else where the over 70s are vaccinated.
Thatâs the argument of a nutcase.
Believe what you want to believe. Itâs been abundantly clear for years that thatâs what you do anyway.
Itâs quite hilarious that youâre both furiously arguing that vaccines are ineffective against spread and furiously claiming there wasnât a surge in Britain this summer.
Youâre arguing two directly contradictory points.
Youâre just making things up now and lying, as you are wrong and canât admit it. Once again, I would recommend all adults gets vaccinated, but the benefits of vaccination to young healthy people are not as obvious as SAGE worshipping nutters are claiming.
Why are cases in the UK declining since July 19th, rather than the catastrophe you predicted?
Youâre literally arguing against yourself now. Keep tying yourself in knots. Makes it much easier for me.
Iâm not arguing there wasnât a surge in the UK, more lies. My question is why we havenât seen the catastrophe you predicted since July 19th. Will you admit you were wrong?
Thatâs what it appears like to a black and white thinker, this is a very complex issue with a constantly changing landscape. Itâs no surprise you canât keep up.
Yourself and the other nut jobs on this thread have been arguing there would be no surge for months. But there was a surge and the UK is now averaging 100 deaths a day, as I predicted. And itâs going to be much worse in the US, it already is in Florida.
You also now argue that vaccines will not stop spread.
Do you not see how these are directly contradictory points?
No, of course you donât.
You argue thereâs no need for young people to get vaccinated, dismissing the evidence that 1 in 8 minors who contract Covid will get Long Covid. This viewpoint also dismisses any sort of societal solidarity, as well as dismissing the fact that the more Covid spreads, the more the chance of the emergence of a variant which brings back to square one.
Youâre little better than the IQ brigade here who push Alex Berenson.
It is a very complex issue with a constantly changing landscape in which some basic principles are black and white and will always remain so.
Only a fool would not recognise this.
I have never argued there would not be a surge, more lies. In fact I predicted it based on the football tournament. What I argued is that when the vulnerable are vaccinated surges become less of a concern, and people self correct their behavior to bring them under control (just as they did in March 2020 before any measures were brought in, and in every surge since). There will be ongoing surges, vaccination or no vaccination ,for years and probably decades. The evidence which you are ignoring is that breakthrough cases are increasing, to the degree where it is reasonable to question whether vaccination is now doing anything to stop spread.
I think you like a lot of people are confused between people getting infected and people getting sick. The great majority of people getting infected are not getting sick and have mild symptoms, yet you want to shut down society again to protect people who are vaccinated. Itâs insane reasoning. The US and UK have decided they have to live with a certain level of Covid, as sensible people recognize Zero Covid is absolutely not achievable.
Ask yourself the following question. If you lived in the US and NYC specifically you would be an AOC supporter and voter. You would support Zero Covid as that is your core position, so travel restrictions, MDQ for everyone, no non essential travel, etc. Yet AOC also believes there should be no restrictions on the southern US border, no apprehending those crossing the border without documents, and 1-2 million migrants should be allowed enter every year. Can you square that circle in your head?
Three words. âDone with Covid.â Now get stuffed.
I accept your surrender.