Donât mention Sweden. It drives lads ape
Itâs a perfectly valid question horsey. Youâre ranting about lockdowns and then making up deaths to support your arguments. Youâve no facts.
I think weâve been too restrictive in our approach and havenât made efforts to find ways to relax restrictions where itâs safe and where we should. But also, all of Europe is in lockdown, and Irelandâs case numbers are in a comparatively better place. Italy announced additional restrictions for Christmas today, as opposed to us being in a position to relax.
If youâre going to argue something at least recognise context and maybe provide some facts.
For fuck sake even the most ardent supporter of lockdowns acknowledges there will be deaths because of lockdowns. I donât know how to copy links on the phone but just Google it thereâs loads for you to read up on. Itâs the reason why the WHO have warned about using lockdowns as an absolute last resort. Also, the deaths that will unfortunately happen because of the missed screenings, late or missed diagnosises largely havenât happened yet so how the fuck can I produce data on those?
In fairness to Horsey, to the best of my knowledge there hasnât been the same investment of energy into creating worst case mathematical models for all the deaths arising from late cancer diagnosis as there has been for covid deaths. If Iâm wrong please correct me and Horsey will just have more fuel for his righteous fire.
I was thinking a few months ago that for single people in their 30s youâd have to calculate how more likely they were to not have families if they spend the next X years under lockdown and then value the effect of that on their estimated life expectancy and weigh it against the risks of covid19 on their age group. Obviously no-one has done that.
The Danes are probably closest to what I would have liked.
I had mentioned them back in April as the ones to watch for as they were taking mature, pragmatic and proactive approach. Mature as whilst they locked down earlier than us, they were very quick to tell the population that they needed to get kids back to school and the economy going if there was to be any form of society. They never said the virus was gone but they said people had to get on with it.
They are pragmatic because they have kept the vast majority of the economy open.
Proactive because they have tried mass testing and tracing.
I think the maturity point is key to it, they did not say the danger was gone in April but said things had to get going again. I think after the initial response in Ireland that we veered into immaturity. Covid became the only show in town and the fear grew into finger pointing and irrationality for a section of the population. There was another section of the population, the generally more rational ones, who tolerated the slow reopening as they bought into the idea that we needed to invest in strong systems and improved healthcare. The latter people have mostly turned against NPHET in recent months whilst the former have become devotees.
We shall see how the Danes ultimately get on as their cases are rising, albeit at a far more controlled space than Europe;
The Danes are trying to keep the economy moving as best they can, using things like mass testing on the younger population to try to avoid full shutdowns.
The Finns and Norwegians are doing well as well but I havenât looked as closely at them tbh.
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They appear to be fudging Lockdowns in state by state so itâs probably a massive problem policing it. Plus the amount of internal travel etc.
I actually think weâve done okay. Not brilliant but okay.
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Send a scary number out the first Saturday indoor dining is opened, genius by Tones.
George Lee talking about lockdown fatigue on the news⌠Give me a fucking break George, you absolute lockdown fetishist
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Whatâs the point of daily numbers now.
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To break our will.
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Tone Loc - kdown.
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A complete cod.
But sure what can you do, must sort out a digital vaccination certificate passport now ffs to fly abroad. Will that become mandatory for work too is an inreresting one,
At least we havent had any flu this winter so far. Incredible stuff.
Jesus christ lads, where is this going to end?
13 deaths
456 cases
Must be the pubs
Weâll be back in lockdown Jan 2nd and rightly so.