How does he make it look so easy?!
Once again, another completely disingenuous answer, one which projects your own persistent inability to answer the question.
Iâll have to call on you to answer it again as you refuse to do so.
We had 2,101 deaths up north in Jan 2018, a record death total for a month, the blame laid at the door of flu by the relevant authorities. Nobody batted an eyelid at the time, 10 months later it got a days coverage and everyone move on. No screaming, no lockdowns, no restrictions, no vaccine coercion or vaccine passports.
You keep refusing to explain how such indifference to this could operate in contrast to the hysteria and shrieking from Covid, it seems as if it doesnât matter if people die, it only matters if they tie from what is trendy at the time. Flu must have been old and boring so who cares if people die from it right.
Now can you please do the decent thing and address these severe contradiction in terms of reaction. Donât deflect, donât project your unwillingness to deal with the issue, actually engage and address it.
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Youâre not going to answer are you? Very disappointing. It seems like youâre going to ignore it. Almost like youâre gonna pick two numbers out of your hole and shout about them and nothing else. Like another lad we used to have on here who wanted to argue about the superiority of ulster football teams but only wanted to talk about the period of 2002-2009. Its a sad day for debate really.
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Please, please stop deflecting and answer the question. Youâre responding to questions I ask with questions. Thatâs not how it works. Iâve responded to your points already, you could at least afford me the same courtesy.
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@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy has some amount of lads tied up in knots here.
Not one shot has landed against him either.
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I was referring to posters on this forum. We had repeated calls for assaults on the unvaccinated (not âanti-vaxxersâ, mind you), and plenty of other lackeys cheering them on from the sidelines. Have there been similar calls for violence against the vaccinated by posters that have chosen not to take the vaccines? If there have been, Iâve missed them. So, Iâd like to push back on your assertion of âfar rightâ, and say that fascism is on the part of those calling for violence and forced vaccination.
The real disinformation comes into view when we look at the safety of Covid vaccines. Recording and reporting on vaccine injuries and deaths through yellow card / VAERS databases is one way of doing it, and youâve made your point clearly on that. I donât agree. The Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Inc. study states that âadverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).â Those numbers are staggering and suggest that we should be multiplying the number of reported injury cases by 100.
Another way of assessing Covid vaccine safety would be direct studies of recipients of the vaccines. Such studies have not been done. Iâm referring specifically to studies to confirm or deny true markers for what clinicians are seeing and reporting: blood clots / micro-clots, specific heart dysfunctions, miscarriages, menstrual cycle disruption, toxic effects at a cellular level, etc. Once again, these studies have not been done. In fact, vaccine manufacturers have unblinded the basic studies they performed pre-production. The corruption is staggering.
You might be happy with an assertion that âwe know the vaccines are safe because we didnât study the people who got the vaccineâ, but I am not. Not even close.
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Yer man Paul Reid gets away with murder for his incompetence by just not coming across as a complete prick.
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Heâs a working class Shels supporter.
The pictures of him with Johny Giles are peak WUMing.
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The public gets what the public wants
What you are demanding is an extreme form of political correctness, a deference towards your false views.
No.
You can quote misinformation, disinformation, VAERS which is abused by anti-vaxxers constantly, and conspiracy stuff all you like.
The evidence is clear, it is overhwhelmingly in favour of vaccinations and overwhelmingly against your wrong position.
Thereâs no more to say really.
Ganley is a pound shop wannabe dictator. His entire failed career has been based on baseless fear.
This Walter Ricciardi guy was on Prime Time tonight. What he said didnât make very pleasant listening.
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/1118/1261812-italy-austria-antigen-tests-tony-holohan/
Top Italian scientist: Holohan âtotally rightâ on antigen tests
Updated / Thursday, 18 Nov 2021 20:20
Prime Time
Since August, Italy has required Digital Covid Certs to access indoor dining or cultural venues.
But the system has one key difference to Irelandâs: people can also obtain a 48-hour Covid Cert with a negative antigen or PCR test, even if they have not been vaccinated.
Now that the Delta variant accounts for 99% of cases in Europe, a top advisor to Italyâs health minister has warned that the policy should be reversed.
Professor Walter Ricciardi, the ministerâs scientific advisor on the Covid-19 pandemic, is one of two experts who spoke to Prime Time about the Covid-19 situation in Europe.
He said that antigen tests were the âAchilles heel of the Covid passâ.
He gave strong backing to Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohanâs cautious stance on antigen tests and agreed that they give people false confidence.
"I couldnât agree more with your Chief Medical Officer. Heâs totally right, because heâs perfectly aware of the dangerous kind of infections with this variant," said Prof Ricciardi, a Professor of Hygiene and Public Health at the UniversitĂ Cattolica del Sacro Cuore in Rome.
Prof Ricciardi regards antigen tests as somewhat useful in workplaces and venues as an initial tip-off test, particularly for asymptomatic people, that something is wrong and they must go and get a PCR test.
That kind of use is reasonable, he said. Also, when it is necessary to screen a high number of people in social places, rapid antigen tests can also be a useful tool, he noted.
However, he warned that countries should be recommending âthe appropriate test or the appropriate use at a certain timeâ.
Italy, once the epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic in Europe, is currently categorised as âlow concernâ by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).
But Prof Ricciardi said that the Delta variant has changed everything â and that it was always an illusion that Europe could keep its societies open given the threat it poses.
"If the R rate of the previous variant was 1.72, now, with Delta, it is 6.77," he told Prime Time, referring to the reproduction number, or how many people are infected as a result of a single Covid case.
âSo this means that every person has the ability to infect six or seven other people. This means exponential growth if you donât take measures â and most of the countries havenât taken the appropriate measures yet,â he said.
Austria, like Ireland, is deemed a âhigh riskâ country for Covid-19 by the ECDC.
Professor Eva Schernhammer, the Chair of the Department of Epidemiology at the Medical University of Vienna, said that, in additional to the Delta variant, waning immunity meant that Europe now faces a double Covid-19 threat.
âWe are now getting into this phase where immunity wanes and the two factors together â the high number of unvaccinated and the lessening of immunity among those who are vaccinated â I think that has accelerated the numbers now really quickly in Austriaâ, she told Prime Time.
Because vaccines became available around the same time for most of the places in Europe, she believes the booster shot could be âa game changerâ.
How quickly countries administer the third shot is going to be critical to prevent an acceleration in new cases, she said.
In Austria, because of the high number of cases attributed to household infection â as much as 80% of cases â it is more and more difficult for public health doctors to determine exactly where those households got the infection from.
But while waning immunity six months after vaccination is an important risk factor, first, people have to be vaccinated. And, in Austria, one-third of the population are not.
"With this kind of variant, a very high level of vaccination 60%, 70% can look like high coverage. Itâs not," Prof Ricciardi said.
Across the EU, at least 65.4% of citizens are fully vaccinated, but there is a wide range hidden in that average â from as low as 23.9% in Bulgaria to highs like 81.4% in Portugal.
In Ireland, that figure is touching 76%. In Italy, itâs almost 73%. And while Austriaâs 64.1% is close to the EU average, itâs still not enough.
It includes, for example, over a quarter of Austrian adults.
On Sunday, Austria imposed a lockdown for unvaccinated people in two of its hardest-hit regions, Salzburg and Upper Austria.
But comparing it with Italy shows itâs not just about vaccination.
âThey didnât introduce the Covid pass. We did it. They didnât enforce measures of the universal masking. We did itâ, said Prof Ricciardi.
He said that Italyâs strong public health service allowed it to keep a contact tracing system in place throughout the pandemic.
Both Austria and Italy are ahead of Ireland in antigen testing and in what happens in schools.
But there are regional differences and lessons still being learned there too.
On Thursday, the Irish Government announced rapid antigen tests will be sent to the parents of asymptomatic close contacts in schools.
In Austria, schoolchildren have had regular antigen tests since January. But it found that, because infections with the Delta variant are so high, antigen tests are less reliable, so it has changed gear.
At least one of three weekly school tests must now be a PCR test, Prof Schernhammer said.
Austria has also made PCR tests âfairly noninvasive,â she noted.
âYou can gargle a little bit of fluid and kids can do that and, that way, you can test fairly noninvasively and conduct PCR tests.â
In Italy between 20% and 30% of cases are schoolchildren. This is to be expected, Prof Ricciardi said, because they are as yet unvaccinated.
Italy uses contact tracing to keep the class open. Classes go virtual if infection spreads.
âThe system tends to localize it to the class, so we are not closing the school. We are testing and tracking the specific class, and according to the result of test and tracking, we eventually close the class, but not the school,â he told Prime Time.
Despite the erstwhile belief that the pandemic was coming to an end, Prof Ricciardi said that we must treat Covid-19 like a world war.
"If we compare this to World War II, we are not in 1945 at the end of the war â we are in 1941, 42, when this war still had to be fought," he said.
"If we donât work together and if we donât take decisions based on evidence worldwide, this means that this pandemic will last for years and years."
Over 100 plus unread posts and nothing new. The covid treads on tfk are a cod
Paddy has had enough
Up to 50% not attending booster jab appointments - HSE
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1118/1261626-virus-covid-politics/
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Probably isnât a great idea to contact people in their 80s by text.
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Whereâd you want to meet for a scrap?