What are you on about you mad man? Youâve talked about a load of stuff being public knowledge through the media but havenât responded to it with a single bit of proof.
Others did it for me. Canât you read?
Sure thatâs not you as you said many many times. Heâs your mate isnât he?
Thereâs also a bunch of other wild accusations youâve not followed up on.
What wild accusastions?
Just iâd say youâre an awful PC, gardian reading, moany, snowflake cunt
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Disappointed not to be surveyed despite being a member of this.
did you not get the generic email with the link to the survey form a few weeks back?
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No 
Did you read some of the âotherâ comments at the end? Sweet Jesus theyâre at nothing trying to wrangle this lot together
Try your spam box
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The lad who says âwe have to eat in college tooâ is a classic.
Or the suggestion of a specific day (and preferably time too) for all the games to be played off.
âLess club feesâ, talk to your club buddy.
âGAA to return to a pass time (sic) not a life changing event.â yeah, the CPA will sort that one for you.
the chap who wants Limerick to win Liam McCarthy is the most delusional thoughâŚ
I think it shows though that a lot of players havent a clue about what is really going on or what the CPA can do or achieve. On one hand you have lads saying no county players, on the other saying club should be first. Then one saying all club from August to October, and others wanting it in the summer only. The shortening of the intercounty season should help. Again though, I dont understand why there is such an objection to the super 8 proposal from club players. I dont see how it affects them. I may not agree with the proposal myself, but it wouldnt be from a club player standpoint.
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The objection to the the super 8 is the lack of percueved consultation and the dictatorship type approach that is now fully entrenched.
This was one mans idea. A man who hasnât been involved in a club in 20 odd years.
Thats the crux of it.
I think the big issue facing the CPA now is time for task. They are all very busy people. They will have to truthfully shift from this volunteer only policy at some stage. At least 2 people will have to go full time. They are up against a great machine and they are at it in their spare time. Thats unsustainable.
Thats all well and good, and I can understand people being annoyed about it. But how does the super 8 proposal affect the ordinary club player? If this was the GPA going against it, Iâd have more time for it, I just do not understand why the CPA have the super 8 as part of their agenda. All the super 8 format does is add 2 games to counties at that stage, when it is already highly likely that club games for that county would be on hold in either format old or new.
This is not a debate on the merits or such of the super 8 format, to be honest, Iâm unconvinced either way I just fail to see how this affects the club player and I dont think it should be a matter for them to continue pushing on.
Also, whilst the CPA is trying to sort issues for the club player in general, there is no one quick fix for each and every county. It cant come to conclusions and have the same set of rules or ideas that works in every county. I think it needs to be more regionalised, and have the overall body, with the 2 full time as you say and have county reps for it. A calendar proposal or fixtures idea in one county will not necessarily translate to another due to a multitude of different reasons and I think they need to start recognising this. Hopefully with the vastly ranging comments in one of their surveys, they realise this.
They already knew this.
They have exactly like you describe.
This is Cork
Top man - Derek Kavanagh
Divisional reps - Paddy Kelly was ours in Mid-Cork
ClUb reps - sought out by Paddy kelly and his equivilants.
They have the same in Kerry which is surprising as Kerry is one of the counties least effected by games.its championship is effected alright.
As for being anti super 8. I explained that. They feel the discussion on this was insufficent and lip service is played.
But for instance Cork and Killkenny play rounds of the champiinship during the season and in that area that is now gone. Ibviously at the moment hurling is not effected yet, but it will be.
They also see the gap after the league as ridiculous. And anyone thinking that playing a bit of club in april/may and then stopping till august september is good is off their rocker. It ruins the flow of competitions.
I would love if the Club Championships (as in provincial and AI) became weekend festivals.
Played over a saturday and sunday. A bit like Sigerson but maybe shorter games.
I think the GAA has to change its outlook dramatically.
I know they do, Declan Ruth is the Wexford rep. My point is they are still carrying out a nationwide fix for localised issues. I dont know if that is going to change, maybe it will, but as it stands they are still acting under the one set up
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post:74, topic:23645, full:trueâ]As for being anti super 8. I explained that. They feel the discussion on this was insufficent and lip service is played. [/quote] yes, you said it was one man who hasnt been involved with a club in 20 years made a dictorial decision. My point, again, is what has this to do with the club players issue. Surely the super 8 format and discussions should be with the GPA and county players. It will have little or not impact on club players that I can see, or none that has ever been pointed out to me anyway
Kilkenny only play rounds of hurling during long breaks between championship games. If they end up in qualifiers, which they will this year when Wexford hammer them, they dont play club games. If the county season is being condensed, then surely that is a good thing? Leaves more time for late summer for club games rather than early autumn to play games. We cant have it every way, cant be saying on one hand to have a shorter season and then on the other complain that club games cant be on during championship anymore.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post:74, topic:23645, full:trueâ] They also see the gap after the league as ridiculous. And anyone thinking that playing a bit of club in april/may and then stopping till august september is good is off their rocker. It ruins the flow of competitions.[/quote] dont disagree there at all. There was a piece in the paper or somewhere recently that showed the gap now for some teams until their first round game now that the leagues are over. The county championship could be shortened even further again to be honest and leave all club activity to start in late July or August. Would mean clubs dont have to get back going as early in the year either.
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post:74, topic:23645, full:trueâ]I would love if the Club Championships (as in provincial and AI) became weekend festivals.
Played over a saturday and sunday. A bit like Sigerson but maybe shorter games.
I think the GAA has to change its outlook dramatically.
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it does. but itâll take time. there are too many people who want âtraditionâ for the sake of it. Afraid to make big changes to structures of competitions.
Ya i think we are close enough in thinking. I think the super 8 will effect the odd county, but its more the principal of it than anything. And i think thats worthy fighting.
I know they regionalise their data. They are only at collection stage. So not much point in having a strategy if you donât have the data. I also know they delayed their own proposals (Kavanagh and Griffen are heading that) because of that exact reason you give, regional differences.
I also know they were surprised with some results and it made them think. The numbers of players at AGMâs and club meetings shocked them. They expected much lower i think. What thats saying is anyones guess.
Is it because the same people who sign up are the most passionate and vocal and they go to board meetings to seek change?
Ir is it this is the right number but that the present system is blocking them?
Its probably in the middle of that. I would say numbers might be slightly distorted in one sense but there is no doubt GAA systems and rules are a block to progress
It may be worth fighting, but I think the wrong body are doing it. This is a GPA issue that they should be taking on. The CPA have enough to be worrying about without going after predominantly county player issues.
The thing about the AGM, is the way the question was phrased. Have you been to a meeting? It doesnt ask have you been to all of them, or regularly go. Most players at some stage will head onto an AGM over their 15 years or so of playing. That in itself is not surprising. But do they regularly go or do they make an input to them? That is a different issue. Also, as you say, most who sign up to the CPA to date would more than likely be ones who are some way active. If a lad isnt bothered the 2 minutes it takes for signing up to the CPA, I doubt heâd be at all bothered about going to an AGM.
I think the Super 8 definitely is a Cpa/club issue. Thats the fundame tal thing about it. Are they club players AND county players or not???
They have every right to be involved. And seeing as the GPA have been bought someone has to fight it.
How can it not be a club player issue if the GAA sends the proposals to all the clubs for inspection (as underhanded and curript as that is).
They are either club or county or both. And thats ine of the big questions that needs to be answer. The GAA are being absolute hypocrites tolling out this shit about county olayers belonging to clubs etc. They are never there. They are losing the gra for the club not by choice but by pure absence.
The GAA is one big fraud at the moment but irdinary people see thru it now.
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I laughed out loud while reading this article. What a shambles of an organisation.
Wexford does try to play 3 or 4 games in April but amusingly the powers that be have told us that there is a round of football next weekend but havenât told clubs which day theyâll be playing.
Same for the hurling the week after.
And Iâve a feeling the fixtures have been made but just not released. You really couldnât make it up.
Oh year - where is the CPA gone?