Dion Fanning

This complete tosser is at it again.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/the-stench-of-cynical-cheating-reeks-more-than-idiotic-passion-1117018.html

The stench of cynical cheating reeks more than idiotic passion

Sunday October 07 2007

While many of us, arguing that extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, would have instinctively sympathised with Dida’s attempts to bring a premature end to a long night of tribal celebration in Glasgow last Wednesday, objectively it is hard to make a case for anything but a long suspension for the Milan goalkeeper.

It is a clash of corporatism versus nationalism and it is tempting to echo Bill Shankly and say, “I hope you both lose”. But Celtic deserve the lesser punishment for the failure of their stewards to prevent the pitch incursion.

Dida, if Uefa are serious about ridding the game of its major problems, should be thrown out of football.

Dida’s first reaction when he received a bitch-slap from the undoubtedly intensely irritating fan doing a jig across his goalmouth was to chase after the Celt. This was the right response. Any firm but fair action from Dida would have been applauded, not only for its honesty, but for denying the Celtic supporters the oxygen of self-pity which, for some of them, is more important than any victory.

Instead he chose to collapse, aware perhaps that the game could be abandoned and seemingly unconcerned about the result his actions would have on the 60,000 in the stands nursing many race grievances, the effects of several pints and the endorphins following the winning goal.

Diving undermines football and the feigning of serious injury so that play is stopped is the latest advance on this insidious form of cheating. Dida’s clear attempt to influence the outcome of the game was informed by his own personal history. In 2005, he was hit by a flare at the San Siro in the Milan derby and Champions League quarter-final. That night, with nearly 20 minutes to play in the second leg, the game was abandoned and Milan, who were cruising anyway, were awarded the match.

In more desperate circumstances, Dida thought he’d try it again. He was cheating and, if the referee had gone along with his plan, the game would have been called off and again we would have had no problem distinguishing between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.

It was dangerous and irresponsible and if UEFA are serious about changing the game, which I suspect they are not, then they will chase after Dida with more purpose than he pursued the fan.

Instead, they are likely to fine Celtic and allow Dida to get away with his actions. Given a choice, as was the case in Athens during last season’s final, Uefa will always come down hard on anybody displaying any emotion anywhere in a ground, especially supporters.

If it is fake, like Dida’s cheating or the whole corporate edifice that doesn’t fit in easily into nights of real passion at football grounds like Parkhead, where the game still matters, then Uefa encourage it or ignore it.

So Celtic prepare for their punishment and while the response of the rest of the Milan delegation has almost certainly prevented any drastic action, there is still the danger that they may have to play a game behind closed doors. Let’s be clear, nobody wants that.

Of course it would rob Celtic of their famed support but more importantly it would leave 60,000 nationalists at a loose end on a big match night. Getting them to Parkhead at least gets them out of the pub. Keeping them there benefits no one.

There are precedents. Last season, during Rangers’ home tie against Maccabi Haifa, a pro-Palestine protestor chained himself to a goalpost, adding a new dimension to the melting pot for football nights in Glasgow. He was taken away to jeers and the waving of Israeli flags by the visiting supporters, but Rangers were only fined 5,700. Celtic should ask them for their legal notes.

Rangers’ result last Tuesday would have added to the frenzy at Parkhead, a tough environment for the 2,000 year-old men known as Milan to enter.

Rangers’ astonishing victory in Lyons might simply be put down to Lyons having recently endured two years working under Gerard Houllier. Another job done, Houllier could be found last week explaining why it was important, in light of the Avram Grant situation, that coaches have all the correct badges, as he does. Case closed.

But Celtic’s anxieties will rumble on for a bit yet. Uefa may be influenced by local factors too. With Rangers top of their group and Celtic threatening to qualify again, there is a chance the pair could meet in the knock-out stages. It wouldn’t be a night for protests about Palestine or for soft Brazilian goalkeepers. It wouldn’t be a night for anyone with sense or sensibility at all.

For once, Uefa may see the bigger picture.

dionfanning@gmail.com

Dion,

Are you incapable of writing about Celtic Football Club or its supporters without resporting to nonsensical stereotypes to illustrate your position? And do you genuinely believe that your references to nationalism, tribalism and race have any relevance to the actions of the supporter who entered the pitch on Wednesday night or the histrionics of Dida which followed?

Your opinion piece is nothing more than an uneducated slur on 60,000 people who attend Celtic Park regularly. The presence or absence of nationalism at Celtic matches is entirely irrelevant to the incident that took place on Wednesday night but in your mind you see Celtic and nationalism as inseparable. For reasons I won’t pretend to understand you seem to have an irrational distaste of anything approaching nationalism and this manages to colour your sports articles at regular intervals.

A couple of inaccuracies that might be highlighted:

  • The Celtic fan wasn’t “doing a jig.” Why feel the need to employ such a stereotypical term to describe the actions of a man running? Is that the limit of your vocabularly are did you feel it set the tone nicely for a piece about Celtic’s fans?
  • The suggestion that the “oxygen of self-pity” is more important to many Celtic fans “than any victory” is pure nonsense. Did you think about this sentence when you were writing it at all or was it just a nice opportunity to paraphrase Margaret Thatcher in an article about Celtic? I met many Celtic fans after the game the other night and I can promise you this: not one would have swapped that famous win for any amount of self-pity. Of course I suspect you know this already but it didn’t suit your argument.
  • How were the 60,000 in the stands “nursing race grievances?” Do you have even a hint of evidence to support that statement? You’re suggesting I was somehow wallowing in the grief of being Irish? Likewise the Polish man sitting next to me - he was upset at being Polish was he? And the Scots were at the same, and the English, not to mention the Italians and whoever else makes up the 60,000. Again, I’d question the relevance of this snippet to the article on one man’s decision to invade the pitch and Dida’s reaction to the confrontation. It says an awful lot about the prejudice of your beliefs that you can’t discuss Celtic without resorting to petty jibes about a very real and dangerous culture of discrimination against Catholics which took place in parts of the UK.
  • “It was a clash of corpratism against nationalism.” Lovely soundbite but actually what does it mean? It wasn’t a clash between either corporatism or nationalism. If you’re going to oversimplify the argument then at least try and maintain some level of accuracy in your piece.
  • “[Playing a game behind closed doors] …would rob Celtic of their famed support but more importantly it would leave 60,000 nationalists at a loose end on a big match night. Getting them to Parkhead at least gets them out of the pub. Keeping them there benefits no one.” It’s hard to know where to begin with that moronic statement. Not everyone who supports Celtic is a nationalist. I’d love for you to right a piece next week about the Harlem Globetrotters next week and refer to the 10,000 civil rights activists in attendance. Furthermore, not everyone who attends Celtic Park is in a pub if they’re not at the stadium. Some of us have jobs, some have families, some don’t drink. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your opinion though, it must be vital for you to be controversial every week.

I don’t expect a reply to this mail because frankly I can’t see why you’d be bothered entering a debate on a topic where your views are so entrenched and where your column values provocation over reporting.

Regards anyway


Link below to that FAI/GAA article he wrote:

http://www.thefreekick.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=75&func=view&id=5321&catid=1#5321

great letter

i just dont buy the sindo as its a west brit right wing rag- dion isnt even a proper journalist - his dad just found a role for him (his sisters,his brother,his stepdad ,his mother,his cousins)

I was going to slag him off about the nepotism but I’m holding out for a reply from him so tried not to offend him too much. It’s unreal though the amount of them with jobs in that rag.

Best concert moment for me in recent years was at Whipping Boy’s reunion gig in the Olympia. Fearghal took out a Sunday Independent, held it in the air and blowtorched it.

therock67 wrote:

This complete tosser is at it again.

[quote] I’d love for you to right a piece next week about the Harlem Globetrotters next week and refer to the 10,000 civil rights activists in attendance.

Fair enough, ya don’t like the fella, but challenging the man to correct an article next week about the Harlem Globetrotters seems a little off the point, unless said article is already written and you’ve had a sneak preview. I’m only pointing it out because you’re such a stickler for the grammar/spelling/syntax.

its an absolute rag - the way they all hated bertie then all of a sudden they loved him because tony told them says it all about them
the way that they tried to turn stamp duty into an election issue because the editor was selling his house shows the morals of the cnuts

Juhniallio wrote:

therock67 wrote:

[quote]This complete tosser is at it again.

[quote] I’d love for you to right a piece next week about the Harlem Globetrotters next week and refer to the 10,000 civil rights activists in attendance.

Fair enough, ya don’t like the fella, but challenging the man to correct an article next week about the Harlem Globetrotters seems a little off the point, unless said article is already written and you’ve had a sneak preview. I’m only pointing it out because you’re such a stickler for the grammar/spelling/syntax.[/quote]

Christ that’s some error.

Good response Rocko. That chap is some clown and he once again confirms his inate ability to write articles as if he was trapped inside the mind of a particularly stupid 5 year-old. Most of it is stereotypical nonsense bordering on racism but the part about self-pity being more important to Celtic supporters than victory leaves me questioning his sanity. His brother Evan also penned a ‘scathing’ attack on Celtic in the Sindo last year. It was worse than this one, if that’s even possible. I’m sure their Dad and the other family members they work with were very impressed nonetheless.

Reply from Dion:

Rocko [name changed],

Thanks for your email. Why is it irrational to have a distaste of nationalism? Presumably you are fond of English nationalists, American nationalists, Serbian nationalists and all the rest. Personally, I dislike them all.

You ask why I link Celtic and nationalism. Any time that I do, people email me calling me somehow less Irish for having a go at Celtic or claim I lack “self-identity”. Maybe I do, I don’t really care, but that kind of thinking is why I don’t like Celtic or Rangers, whose medievalness was exposed during the whole Paul le Guen fiasco which I wrote about. When Celtic fans have decided that its ok to be Irish and not like their club maybe I’ll stop writing about it.

Sincerely,

Dion Fanning

I’ve since replied with:

Dion

Thanks for the reply.

I believe the distaste of nationalism becomes irrational when it colours everything you write. The incident in question had absolutely nothing to do with nationalism - be it Irish, Scottish, American or whatever. If you were writing about the abundance of nationalist sentiment in football then it might be logical to bring Celtic’s fanbase into the debate. Writing about Dida’s actions and one man’s lunacy doesn’t require petty comments referencing the immigrant Irish population in Glasgow as “doing a jig,” “nursing race grievances,” “gets them out of the pub,” etc.

I couldn’t care less whether you support Celtic or not and most Irish friends of mine don’t follow them. There’s a difference between not supporting and being actively hostile however and spiteful comments like those included in your last piece suggest that you’re letting your political beliefs sway your opinion on an entire body of people. Sweeping generalisations are rarely the hallmark of a reasoned argument.

Regards

Rocko

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therock67 wrote:

Reply from Dion:

[quote]Rocko [name changed],

Thanks for your email. Why is it irrational to have a distaste of nationalism? Presumably you are fond of English nationalists, American nationalists, Serbian nationalists and all the rest. Personally, I dislike them all.

You ask why I link Celtic and nationalism. Any time that I do, people email me calling me somehow less Irish for having a go at Celtic or claim I lack “self-identity”. Maybe I do, I don’t really care, but that kind of thinking is why I don’t like Celtic or Rangers, whose medievalness was exposed during the whole Paul le Guen fiasco which I wrote about. When Celtic fans have decided that its ok to be Irish and not like their club maybe I’ll stop writing about it.

Sincerely,

Dion Fanning

I’ve since replied with:

Dion

Thanks for the reply.

I believe the distaste of nationalism becomes irrational when it colours everything you write. The incident in question had absolutely nothing to do with nationalism - be it Irish, Scottish, American or whatever. If you were writing about the abundance of nationalist sentiment in football then it might be logical to bring Celtic’s fanbase into the debate. Writing about Dida’s actions and one man’s lunacy doesn’t require petty comments referencing the immigrant Irish population in Glasgow as “doing a jig,” “nursing race grievances,” “gets them out of the pub,” etc.

I couldn’t care less whether you support Celtic or not and most Irish friends of mine don’t follow them. There’s a difference between not supporting and being actively hostile however and spiteful comments like those included in your last piece suggest that you’re letting your political beliefs sway your opinion on an entire body of people. Sweeping generalisations are rarely the hallmark of a reasoned argument.

Regards

Rocko[/quote]

Game, set, match Rocko. In a couple of paragraphs you’ve shown him up to be a complete fool. 20 cent says he doesn’t bother replying to the latest one.

good to have him of the backfoot - id give you credit for putting a journalist in his box but he cant really be regarded as a journalist -

Interesting.

I woulddn’t be a fan, but some of his stuff is alright, I find him hit and miss to be honest. I think the “keeping them in the pub” comment defiinitely overstepped the mark though.

I have to admit I love the Sindo. Eamonn Sweeney was in great form yesterday, and O’Brien and Sadlier’s pieces were interesting as well.

you love the sindo , you support chelsea & boez - kinda wish it was flango that won that money now

LOL. I’m meeting Baz and Brendan for a gargle after; any messages you’d like me to pass on?

Sledgehammer wrote:

LOL. I’m meeting Baz and Brendan for a gargle after; any messages you’d like me to pass on?

Ask Baz if there’s any further developments in the Gerard Kean divorce case please. I know myself and a load of my mates have been anxiously awaiting news on where things stand. Also, could you please ask Brendan if he’s planning to pen a few more front page stories on how he’s getting on being a judge on Celebrity You’re A Star? They were gas pieces altogether and had me in complete stitches.

Dion’s writing about journalism ethics this week so Tommy Conlon has taken over the radical anti-Celtic editorial slant for the week:

If Souness is wrong let him be rejected for the right reasons
By Tommy Conlon
Sunday November 11 2007

There may be good reasons why Graeme Souness should not become the next manager of the Ireland soccer team – the fact that he managed and played for (Glasgow) Rangers is not one of them.

And under no circumstances should the Irish bigots in the Celtic FC fan club be allowed to set the agenda on this issue. Which is why it was a bit presumptuous, at best, for RTE’s Darragh Maloney to question him on it during their Premiership highlights programme last Saturday night.

In fairness to Maloney the Celtic/Rangers rivalry is an ingrained part of this country’s sporting culture and he may have just assumed that it was therefore reasonable to address the matter with Souness.

But the Liverpool/Manchester United rivalry is also part – and a much bigger part – of the culture here too and we doubt if Maloney or any other pundit would question the appointment of, say, a former Liverpool player or manager on the basis that it might antagonise Ireland’s legion of Man U fans. The question wouldn’t have to be asked because it wouldn’t be an issue.

Why therefore should an exception be made for Celtic fans? There is a history of Celtic supporters at international games barracking visiting players who happen to play their club football for Rangers. The very fact that Maloney even asked Souness about this issue could be seen as legitimising their prejudices.

Earlier on Saturday evening a Celtic supporter contacted Today FM’s Premier League phone-in show to vent his hostility towards the Souness candidacy. Celtic fans around the country would not be one bit happy if Souness got the job, he said. The show’s host, Michael McMullan, could barely conceal his bewilderment with such a backward mentality. But the caller, inevitably, was immune to rational arguments, not the least of which was that Souness had left Rangers some 15 years ago (he was player-manager between 1986 and '91).

Nevertheless Souness was still obliged to account on RTE for that unfortunate period in his life when he happened to win three league titles in his first management job. And when, in passing, he also happened to sign the first black player to actually line out for Rangers (Mark Walters), and the first Catholic player – albeit that it was the former Celtic forward Maurice Johnston. And when he broke the club’s bigoted heritage by making it clear that colour or denomination would no longer be an issue in the signing of a player.

In those years he was still togging out and if anything the tribal nature of Scottish football seemed to bring the worst out of his famously volatile temperament, putting his boot through televisions when he wasn’t putting his boot through some unfortunate opponent on the field. Sometimes it was comical, more often it was shocking. It wouldn’t be overstating it to say that he was hated on the Celtic side of the Glasgow ghetto.

So, he conceded to Maloney, “I’m aware that I’m a bit of an outsider, not Irish, and one or two things I’ve done in the past might not go down so well with certain people . . . It’s certainly not a stumbling block for me (but) if it was an issue for too many people then it wouldn’t be a job I’d want. I’ve only been interested in what people can do on a football pitch, not in what religion they were, or colour they were . . . Football is what you should be judged on and nothing else.”

By “certain people” he meant, of course, Celtic supporters. But just because he got up their noses, in a previous life, doesn’t mean he should assume that every Irish fan would have a problem with his appointment – at least not a problem with the fact that he was once of Rangers.

But in fairness to football bigots of all persuasions, perhaps Souness should also be asked to account for his combustible season at Galatasaray – on behalf of all Irish citizens of Turkish origin who may support Galatasaray’s bitter rivals Fenerbahce. In one of his nuttier moments Souness nearly sparked a riot in 1996 when he planted the Galatasaray flag in the middle of the Fenerbahce pitch having just beaten them in the Turkish cup final. This iconic act earned him the nickname ‘Ulabatli’ Souness, after the Turkish martyr Ulabatli Hasan who was killed planting the Ottoman flag at the battle of Constantinople in 1453. (And they say the Irish have long memories.)

The next time therefore that Souness is quizzed about his past allegiances he should be asked, in the interests of parity of prejudice, not to mention our old friend multiculturalism, if his putative appointment to the Ireland job would not give offence to all local Fenerbahce fans too.

Souness’s old mucker at Liverpool, Ronnie Whelan, was in the Today FM studio last Saturday evening. “Souey,” he said, was the best footballer he’d ever played alongside. But Whelan didn’t see him as the right man for Ireland on the basis of lack of managerial experience. Given that Souness has also managed four clubs in England and another in Portugal we feel that Ronnie had other reasons, which he wasn’t sharing, as to why his mate shouldn’t get the job.

The main one being perhaps that he hasn’t been very successful. But there are no guarantees with any candidate anyway. Souness would at least be interesting. And if it were to upset some of the Celtic idiots who have disfigured the atmosphere at previous internationals, it shouldn’t perturb the FAI too badly either.

the.couch@hotmail.com

  • Tommy Conlon

Brilliant stuff from Tommy. Apparently the “Irish bigots in the Celtic fan club” have been setting the agenda on this one. Does Tommy believe that these “bigots” set the questions for Darragh Maloney? Or might Darragh Maloney have arrived at the question by himself.

The reason the question wouldn’t have to be asked of a Liverpool or Manchester United manager is simply because those clubs’ very existence wasn’t built on discrimination against Catholic Irish immigrants. The huns have institutionalised a vile hatred for all things Irish and Catholic and Souness was more than happy to go along with that.

Signing Mark Walters was irrelevant to this debtate. Signing Mo Johnston was hardly designed to improve relations with Catholics. Upholding every other bigoted “tradition” associated with Rangers didn’t do much to help either.

I don’t know whether Souness’ past allegiance with Rangers should count against him for the Ireland job or not. But I do know that there are serious reasons to question the guy on his past. It’s a representative job so there’s a responsibility that comes with that. And to be perfectly honest it’s not good enough for Souness to say he’s only interested in football.

I wouldn’t want a racist in charge of my national team, no matter how good a manger he was.

There are too many apologists for bigotry in this country these days. I wonder does Tommy know about (or care about) the rampant racism so tolerated at Ibrox. A disgusting club and it’s hard to believe that those who love it are anything other than pricks themselves.

Bigots http://th103.photobucket.com/albums/m150/gardenguydave/th_image006.gif

Get off your high horses ya bigots.

For fuck’s sake how is signing Walters and Johnston irrelevant?

Are the Scottish FA at fault for putting up with Rangers’s policies for so long? Are Celtic at fault for competing in the same league as them and playing against them?

I presume you wouldn’t have been happy with Ireland hosting the all-white Apartheid South African Rugby? Was Celtic hosting Rangers much different?

Where does this end?

Walters’s signing is not irrelevant nor is the fact that Celtic fans threw bannanas at him.

If I thought Souness was generally interested in reforming Rangers then I’d have no problem praising him for signing Johnston or Walters. The simple fact though is that he signed Johnston to usurp Celtic and he signed Walters to go along with his policy of buying English talent and bringing them north of the border. Throwing bananas at Walters has nothing to do with the Ireland job so it is highly irrelevant.

None of the shit about blessing yourself or anything was tolerated. All he did was change the personnel in the first team while the club continued on its bigoted, racist way.

By the way I’m not saying that he should be precluded from applying for the Ireland job, I just don’t think that discrimination and racism should be brushed under the carpet so I think it’s something he should be asked about.

I don’t think he should get the job anyway due to his shite record since he left Ibrox where his success was built on money. He won’t have that advantage at international level obviously.

Why does it matter so much?

It’s 2 medicore clubs in a mediocre foreign league. 2 clubs who haven’t won anything in Europe in generations.

Its about a former manager of one of these clubs possibly becoming a manager of a mediocre national team.

Because unlike Munster rugby fans, some people like to follow sport even when their teams aren’t winning anything.

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