Direct Provision

[Juhniallio]

What’s the score here @Rocko @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy? 175m seems like fuckall to set up 6 centres and all the infrastructure that goes with it in terms of supports etc. That’s before even going near the actual building of gaffs. Are the Greens being given enough rope to hang themselves on an aspirational white paper or have they thought this through properly?

[Juhniallio]

UNBELIEVABLE SCENES. As I’m hitting reply on a post questioning the government’s commitment to deliver housing for asylum seekers, the minister for Housing Daire O Brien drives into the estate, eyeballs me, and then reverses and drives back up the road! SF wouldnt be at that level of intimadatory craic.

[artfoley]

@Juhniallio

the minister for Housing Daire O Brien drives into the estate, eyeballs me, and then reverses and drives back up the road! SF wouldnt be at that level of intimadatory craic.

did you not just hop in the back of the berlingo and show him a twix, the plausibly deniable 2 fingers

[maroonandwhite]

Are they going to start building houses and apartments? Or hope that as people switch to WFH there’ll be a higher vacancy rate which can be taken up by renting?

Leaving people stuck in a system for years was cruel and made no sense. Hopefully the screening is sped up so people fleeing harm can be given leave to stay and start work and education. And also bogus claimants can be quickly deported so they aren’t taking up space allowed for genuine cases.

[maroonandwhite]

@artfoley

in fantasy world, so never going to happen

1. all claims for asylum, PTR and SP to be completed within a maximum of 6 months, divert staff from other areas to facilitate this
2. all appeals to be dealt with within a further 3 months.
3. Wasted costs orders to be handed out with regularity in the JR list.
4. where a civil servant has deviated significantly from standard procedures the costs of the JR should be fixed against them and they should face disciplinary procedures as well.
5. change the law so that a person seeking asylum is obliged to claim it at the port of entry into the state. this will get rid of a lot of the Dublin 3 ones who get the ferry from Scotland and travel down on the bus from Belfast.
6. start to challenge media; any person who has been in DP for over 18 months has gotten at least one decision, it is under appeal or JR. the media is misleading people when they say that people haven’t gotten a decision after 18 months. then there’s also the issue for the media with S26 of the IP act in revealing the names of persons engaged in the asylum process. its there to protect those seeking to avail of asylum from retribution from their former countries.
7. As facilities go, DP is nowhere near as bad as "facilities " in spain, Italy, Greece and some of the Balkan states.
8. execute all outstanding deportation orders.
9. set up an independent medical examiners office to assess torture and PTSD.; spirasi has too much skin in the game.
10. people who return to their countries for holidays are clearlyb no longer in fear. they should be repatriated.

those are just a few.

A lot more in this post that would help address the issues than the, and I hate to say it, virtue signalling with no actual details as set out in that press release/white paper

[Lazarus]

@Lazarus getting shit done again I see

[Julio_Geordio]

Whoever the minister for this is was very unconvincing on Newstalk earlier. Despite been given a fairly soft time of it.
Where are the houses coming from? We’ll build them. But there’s huge housing waiting lists already? Yes but these will be different houses.

You say you are going to cut waiting lists to 4 months? Yes
But the waiting lists are supposed to be 9 months already and they actually a year and a half.
Yes but we will cut them.

I wasn’t left with the impression that there’s any substance to the plan unfortunately.

Let em all in ta fuck.

[Tank]

Roderick O’Gorman.
That will send the usual suspects even more outraged.

[Tank]

Nearly the fairest thing to do would be to just let them in after 4 months and put them at the back of the housing list but we’d have tens of thousands of homeless black people.

[Corksfinedtboy]

Grossly unfair to those on the housing list for up to 12 years,
as those coming out of DP will be housed within months
( That information came out today on radio so I presume it’s correct as it was a well versed elected rep stated it)

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

How should the state treat people looking for asylum?

[Rocko]

@maroonandwhite

@artfoley

in fantasy world, so never going to happen

1. all claims for asylum, PTR and SP to be completed within a maximum of 6 months, divert staff from other areas to facilitate this
2. all appeals to be dealt with within a further 3 months.
3. Wasted costs orders to be handed out with regularity in the JR list.
4. where a civil servant has deviated significantly from standard procedures the costs of the JR should be fixed against them and they should face disciplinary procedures as well.
5. change the law so that a person seeking asylum is obliged to claim it at the port of entry into the state. this will get rid of a lot of the Dublin 3 ones who get the ferry from Scotland and travel down on the bus from Belfast.
6. start to challenge media; any person who has been in DP for over 18 months has gotten at least one decision, it is under appeal or JR. the media is misleading people when they say that people haven’t gotten a decision after 18 months. then there’s also the issue for the media with S26 of the IP act in revealing the names of persons engaged in the asylum process. its there to protect those seeking to avail of asylum from retribution from their former countries.
7. As facilities go, DP is nowhere near as bad as "facilities " in spain, Italy, Greece and some of the Balkan states.
8. execute all outstanding deportation orders.
9. set up an independent medical examiners office to assess torture and PTSD.; spirasi has too much skin in the game.
10. people who return to their countries for holidays are clearlyb no longer in fear. they should be repatriated.

those are just a few.

A lot more in this post that would help address the issues than the, and I hate to say it, virtue signalling with no actual details as set out in that press release/white paper

How many of the 175 pages of a detailed white paper did you read before arriving at the conclusion it was “virtue signalling?” It must amaze you that any time you analyse something you don’t agree with that you find it amounts to virtue signalling.

[maroonandwhite]

Oh you have the answers. Great. Where is the increased housing stock going to come from and how are the processing times going to be shortened?

[Rocko]

@Juhniallio

What’s the score here @Rocko @The_Selfish_Giant? 175m seems like fuckall to set up 6 centres and all the infrastructure that goes with it in terms of supports etc. That’s before even going near the actual building of gaffs. Are the Greens being given enough rope to hang themselves on an aspirational white paper or have they thought this through properly?

There’s €600m allocated over the two phases. Direct provision costs a fortune currently. There is both incremental spend and replacement spend. By not funding the private enterprises there is more capacity to deliver.

[Julio_Geordio]

@Rocko

@Juhniallio

What’s the score here @Rocko @The_Selfish_Giant? 175m seems like fuckall to set up 6 centres and all the infrastructure that goes with it in terms of supports etc. That’s before even going near the actual building of gaffs. Are the Greens being given enough rope to hang themselves on an aspirational white paper or have they thought this through properly?

There’s €600m allocated over the two phases. Direct provision costs a fortune currently. There is both incremental spend and replacement spend. By not funding the private enterprises there is more capacity to deliver.

How many long term contracts are we locked into with private providers?

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

does this mean my boycott of avoca can end?

[Rocko]

@maroonandwhite

Oh you have the answers. Great. Where is the increased housing stock going to come from and how are the processing times going to be shortened?

Ah you haven’t read it. But you’ll find a way to be disagreeable as ever on matters of human rights and will still deny your obvious racism. A pathetic sort of existence.

[Corksfinedtboy]

I think the govt didn’t think this through as usual, as it’s already causing confusion ,no one on the housing list will be happy ( thousands)
If the fuckers restarted building social housing properly as in the 60s -70s they’d be no need for anyone jumping ahead of those on the list

[Rocko]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

does this mean my boycott of avoca can end?

Yes. Cheesy sourdough for all again.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

huzzah