She lives in Clondalkin which is her natural constituency you’d think but putting her alongside Ó Broin might be weird. She’s from this Bay South originally I believe.
In the middle class areas yes. But SF have the working class vote there, so it’s a bit of an indentity crisis for Labour going forward, their voter base now seems to be middle class anti-left voters for a party who are meant to be left leaning.
It’s not a bizarre assertion, it’s a bizarre assertion to argue otherwise. What working class seat do Labour hold? How are they doing in places like Finglas, Dublin Central, Tallaght etc? They’ve been rinsed in these constituencies. I don’t how you can possibly argue this in the fact of facts. Look at the overwhelming majority at which SF won the working class seats. Where Bacik won this seat was in the middle class areas. It’s a riduclous contention you are running with here and I’d like to see you substantiate those questions I’ve asked.
She did but once again in middle class affluent areas, her campaign seemed to be focusing on radical feminism, the repeal movement and getting that heavy female vote. If KOC was running I don’t think Bacik wins that seat. Do you? This is a case of an absolutely catastrophic campaign being ran by FG who have missed an open goal.
It clealry, borne out by the facts of the matter, Bacik was outpolled by 3 or 4 to 1 in the working class areas by SF. Where she perfomed very well were in middle class areas, you are making lots of claims here in direct conflict with tally results.
Relax mate.
She’s not going to give you planning.
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A bad strategic error from Fine Gael to play it as a FG v IRA/SF showdown. It was always going to be a FG v TLA (whichever candidate emerged) showdown. Dr. Leo has made quite a lot of strategic errors and questionable choices of late. Even as late as yesterday, siding with Italy in the final on Sunday night.
For all the talk of it as a Fine Gael stronghold, they have only taken two seats there twice since 1989 and missed out completely in 2002.
Yeah. SF also have Ward in O’Broin’s constituency so she won’t be running there. Definitely an extra seat for SF in another Dublin constituency but some will have a better fit for her than others.
I would agree in terms of the overall result. But @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy is making a specific argument about Labour’s appeal to the poorest demographic and happily provided the votes from the boxes to emphasise his point. Labour did superbly there. If it was a general protest vote then those votes would have spread out more. If it was a choice of champagne socialists the the socdem would have done well. If it was hard left then PBP would polled more than single figures in the boxes. Labour did brilliantly there and it was down to old fashioned hard work on the ground.
Bacik won the election, but a lot of that and particularly the votes won in ringsend and the city centre was down to Kevin Humphreys. He worked his bollox off there for years. Delighted it’s seen fruit even if not for himself.
I didn’t even know who the SD candidate was.
She’ll surely run in Dublin South West on her home patch. There’s two IRA/SF seats there. Crowe’s surplus dragged Paul Murphy in last time.
They did superbly in working class areas where they had their worst performance in the whole constituency? That’s an utterly ridiculous assertion.
But they won fuck all votes there?
Does mean a Seanad by-election next?
So you’d like to argue something different? Fine. You said the vote showed that working class voters had permanently rejected Labour and posted up the numbers to prove it. Unfortunately the numbers tell a different story.
Look at the numbers you posted. Come back to me then.
I wouldnt be surprised to see her pop up in Dublin bay North. Denise Mitchell had to be persuaded to run again last time and got 2 quotas or so. She may/may not run again. Either way, it will be identified as an area which might have a vacancy. McDonagh might just be unelectable, despite his own hard work, for some bizarre reason. Possibly his name? I’d say Boylan might well pop up there, nice mix of well spoken for the Howth/Clontarf types and asf for the working class.
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This FG disaster would not have happened if Phil Hogan was running the show.
Si blotted his copybook badly here
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It’s very clear what I’m arguing.
Labour are done in working class areas, this is borne out by the facts. You’re contending this but you don’t seem to have put forwad a basis for it. Labour’s bread and butter was tradiotionally working class areas, they had their worst ratio of votes in this by-election in working class areas.
It’s a good result for the party in terms of getting their candidate elected, I’ve just made the point that they are a party with an identity crisis. You have tried to contend my point and you don’t seem to have put any facts or figures behind it. I’ve challenged you assertions and you’ve ignored the questions as they contradict what you are saying.
Across the constituency, Labour’s vote fell significantly in working class areas. How is this as a result of them forming superbly in working class areas?
What seat do Labour currently hold in working class areas?
Labour did brilliantly in middle class, affluent areas, they fare comparatively a lot worse in working class areas - that is borne by the tally results where Boylan was polling 3 or 4 to 1. That contradicts your argument, the areas where Labour had their lowest vote proportions in the whole constituency were working class areas? So what are Labour now?
They seem to be a mix of a centre right/middle class/liberal area.
They don’t have a candidate in a working class constituency, unless you know of one?
Are they not making sense to you?
Boylan polling 3 or 4 to 1 in working class areas relative to Bacik. Bacik then turns the tables and takes the middle class areas by a bigger margin. Labour are done in working class constituency. What you are contending is without any basis whatsoever. Do you mind actually substantiating what you are saying with facts and figures? By addressing questions?
I’d imagine the vast majority of FF/Green voters in that constituency are Eamon Ryan/Jim O’Callaghan personal votes rather than any party allegiance
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Bacik is a fantastic vote-getter. A real winner.