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[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1132571, member: 112”]@HBV*

are we done? you dont seem to have much for me despite your earlier annoyance when I said I wasnt arsed debating.[/QUOTE] Get over yourself ffs.
I was outraged at your stance that all no voters were fools and bigots while claiming in the same breath you didn’t want to debate. In fairness that was outrageous. You then badgered me into debating an issue that was irrelevant to me. Weirdo, but at least you apologised
I never claimed the need to debate and haven’t a notion of debating with bullies. I’m here to point out the outrageous antics of the bleeding heart lib mob and will continue to do so.

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[QUOTE=“HBV*, post: 1132831, member: 234”]Get over yourself ffs.
I was outraged at your stance that all no voters were fools and bigots while claiming in the same breath you didn’t want to debate. In fairness that was outrageous. You then badgered me into debating an issue that was irrelevant to me. Weirdo, but at least you apologised
I never claimed the need to debate and haven’t a notion of debating with bullies. I’m here to point out the outrageous antics of the bleeding heart lib mob and will continue to do so.[/QUOTE]

fair enough.

firstly, please point out the post where I called all no voters fools and bigots. Once you point out where I called all no voters fools and bigots, I’ll apologise for that.

Secondly, you wont find I said that, so there is no need to apologise. So if that is the reason you were so outraged at my position where I couldnt be arsed to debate, then there was no need for you to be outraged.

I badgered you into debating? Seriously? I said I didnt want to debate, and it was you who called me a cunt and that I was spouting bile, so I thought I’d at least answer you with some sort of respect and have a discussion with you. If you dont want one, fair enough.

Point out the outrageous antics if you wish, I also have no need to discuss the merits or not of their antics, as I also already said.

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What happened to you. You used to be funny but have degenerated into a bitter bore in recent months.

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I’m firmly in the no camp by the way and one of the main reasons but not sole reason is the bully boy tactics of the yes side. I don’t feel obliged to have to explain myself any further. This is a democracy.

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Big boost for us last night . Mayweather battered the bleeding hearts all over the place.

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[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1132852, member: 112”]fair enough.

firstly, please point out the post where I called all no voters fools and bigots. Once you point out where I called all no voters fools and bigots, I’ll apologise for that.

Secondly, you wont find I said that, so there is no need to apologise. So if that is the reason you were so outraged at my position where I couldnt be arsed to debate, then there was no need for you to be outraged.

I badgered you into debating? Seriously? I said I didnt want to debate, and it was you who called me a cunt and that I was spouting bile, so I thought I’d at least answer you with some sort of respect and have a discussion with you. If you dont want one, fair enough.

Point out the outrageous antics if you wish, I also have no need to discuss the merits or not of their antics, as I also already said.[/QUOTE]
You name checked me as hating gays and being revulsed by them. Incorrect and an outrageous slur but typical bullyboy Yea tactics.
You are now droning on and on and on like a right fucking queen.
Get over yourself, seriously like?

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I’m voting no, because I can.

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I think more people will vote no than they realise because they’ve been repressed to come out (pun) in public and admit to it. You’re villified if you say you are a no voter. The no campaign is 11/2 to win and must be worth a few Bob.

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I see the liberal press are seething that Mayweather won- stating he will never have the hearts of the people :rolleyes::smiley:

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It’ll be passed but the no vote will be stronger than the opinion polls suggest. I’ll predict that it’ll be 65% yes and 35% no.

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Powers have
5/6 for <61.5% yes
5/6 for >61.5% yes

and 1/12 for a yes vote
11/2 for a no vote

Nothing appears value there.

The 1/12 could added to an acca.

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I think if this thread shows anything it’s that it’s the gay bashers who are by far the more vocal, and that they really don’t like it up 'em.

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There’s no place for homophobia on this board.

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Pretty Boy Gayweather beat up the Man Pacquer? Sounds like they’re both poofs.

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I’d say he’s gutted with that.

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A few questions people should ask themselves before voting, and my views:

i) Is being attracted to members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as being attracted to members of the opposite sex?

Yes. It’s entirely natural and normal. The fact there are less gay people than straight people in no way makes it less natural or normal, in a similar way to how people with red hair are no less natural or normal.

ii) Are relationships between members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as relationships between members of the opposite sex?

Yes, for the same reason as i).

iii) Is it important that we should recognise this by allowing people of the same sex to marry?

Yes. In my view it’s very important because it will go a long way towards making a section of society who have always previously suffered prejudice and bigotry towards them, feel that their sexual orientation is now accepted as as natural, normal and valid as that of people who are attracted to members of the opposite sex, and that as people they are accepted as equal.

iv) Will marriage be redefined under the constitution if the referendum is passed?

No, because the constitution does not define marriage. My own view is, who cares whether the definition of marriage is being redefined? But for what it’s worth, the constitution will not be changed either way.

v) Should a gay couple be allowed adopt?

That’s irrelevant to the debate, because a gay couple will be able to adopt anyway, regardless of the referendum result, because the Children and Family Relationships Bill, which has already been passed, allows civil partners and cohabiting couples who have lived together for three years to adopt.

I do think that a gay couple should be allowed adopt. But that opinion and that question is as relevant to this debate as my view that the BDO is better than the pdc. And given that, the key argument in the No campaign falls away completely.

vi) Is Ireland still a homophobic society?

In my view, certainly yes. That homophobia may be less explicit and more covert than before, but there is still a significant degree of homophobia internalised in many straight people. A Yes vote will not end that but will send a strong message that homophobia should not and will not be tolerated, no more than racism should be.

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[QUOTE=“Sidney, post: 1133394, member: 183”]A few questions people should ask themselves before voting, and my views:

i) Is being attracted to members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as being attracted to members of the opposite sex?

Yes. It’s entirely natural and normal. The fact there are less gay people than straight people in no way makes it less natural or normal, in a similar way to how people with red hair are no less natural or normal.

ii) Are relationships between members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as relationships between members of the opposite sex?

Yes, for the same reason as i).

iii) Is it important that we should recognise this by allowing people of the same sex to marry?

Yes. In my view it’s very important because it will go a long way towards making a section of society who have always previously suffered prejudice and bigotry towards them, feel that their sexual orientation is now accepted as as natural, normal and valid as that of people who are attracted to members of the opposite sex, and that as people they are accepted as equal.

iv) Will marriage be redefined under the constitution if the referendum is passed?

No, because the constitution does not define marriage. My own view is, who cares whether the definition of marriage is being redefined? But for what it’s worth, the constitution will not be changed either way.

v) Should a gay couple be allowed adopt?

That’s irrelevant to the debate, because a gay couple will be able to adopt anyway, regardless of the referendum result, because the Children and Family Relationships Bill, which has already been passed, allows civil partners and cohabiting couples who have lived together for three years to adopt.

I do think that a gay couple should be allowed adopt. But that opinion and that question is as relevant to this debate as my view that the BDO is better than the pdc. And given that, the key argument in the No campaign falls away completely.

vi) Is Ireland still a homophobic society?

In my view, certainly yes. That homophobia may be less explicit and more covert than before, but there is still a significant degree of homophobia internalised in many straight people. A Yes vote will not end that but will send a strong message that homophobia should not and will not be tolerated, no more than racism should be.[/QUOTE]

Surely for the survival of a species same sex coupling is abnormal? But within the wider demesne of society, a sub section having abnormal same sex attraction, is normal.

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[QUOTE=“Sidney, post: 1133394, member: 183”]A few questions people should ask themselves before voting, and my views:

i) Is being attracted to members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as being attracted to members of the opposite sex?

Yes. It’s entirely natural and normal. The fact there are less gay people than straight people in no way makes it less natural or normal, in a similar way to how people with red hair are no less natural or normal.

ii) Are relationships between members of the same sex equally as natural and normal as relationships between members of the opposite sex?

Yes, for the same reason as i).

iii) Is it important that we should recognise this by allowing people of the same sex to marry?

Yes. In my view it’s very important because it will go a long way towards making a section of society who have always previously suffered prejudice and bigotry towards them, feel that their sexual orientation is now accepted as as natural, normal and valid as that of people who are attracted to members of the opposite sex, and that as people they are accepted as equal.

iv) Will marriage be redefined under the constitution if the referendum is passed?

No, because the constitution does not define marriage. My own view is, who cares whether the definition of marriage is being redefined? But for what it’s worth, the constitution will not be changed either way.

v) Should a gay couple be allowed adopt?

That’s irrelevant to the debate, because a gay couple will be able to adopt anyway, regardless of the referendum result, because the Children and Family Relationships Bill, which has already been passed, allows civil partners and cohabiting couples who have lived together for three years to adopt.

I do think that a gay couple should be allowed adopt. But that opinion and that question is as relevant to this debate as my view that the BDO is better than the pdc. And given that, the key argument in the No campaign falls away completely.

vi) Is Ireland still a homophobic society?

In my view, certainly yes. That homophobia may be less explicit and more covert than before, but there is still a significant degree of homophobia internalised in many straight people. A Yes vote will not end that but will send a strong message that homophobia should not and will not be tolerated, no more than racism should be.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

We get it, you’re voting yes. You and the other self righteous bleeding heart liberals of this country need to accept that other people are choosing to vote no.

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I started this thread more so to engage with the concept of equality— can @Sidney[/USER] , [USER=1533]@glasagusban[/USER] and [USER=112]@Gman inform me as to what the next campaign will involve? What other sub section of society will the equality movement be looking to get equal rights and treatment for? Or is it a matter of everyone being equal once the gay community can marry?

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When can I have 5 wives