CHUCK THEM OUT!
CHUCK THEM OUT!
CHUCK THEM OUT!
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Fans of all the offending conglomerations should be fucked out of TFK for enabling this
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The vast majority of people who go to home games come from Liverpool, Manchester and the surrounding areas. Tourists can’t fill stadiums. The intrinsic worth of these clubs is that they are local institutions with over a century of history and stories behind them. Tourists who attend football games do so to be there, in Liverpool, or Manchester, or Barcelona, in those cities, among the people of those cities, to experience something authentic. When you go to Anfield or Old Trafford or Celtic Park or the Nou Camp, you feel the history, it’s tangible. If the clubs lose their connection to the local community and go rogue and enter a private cartel outside the realms of the football pyramid, and pull the ladder up after themselves, there is effectively no club there any more, it’s a Disney show.
Well the Bernabeu and the Nou Camp were built to generate more income. Building a bigger stadium to generate more income is legitimate. Modern architecture and outdated ideas about green field sites like at Bolton is what has turned these grounds into the soulless plastic bowls most of them are. The Millennium Stadium was built to generate more revenue but it was done right.
this is the first break from that connection. I believe the term bandied about was “legacy fans” 
Ah sid you’re kidding yourself. The whole point of it is that the majority of modern fans dont care. The foreign fans dwarf the local fans in numbers. They’re an unmilked resource to sell games to. And that’s the be all and end all of it.
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Head to Eastlands sometime, it’s not how you remember it. I’d a season ticket there for a few years, it’s almost entirely made up of old fellas who go out of habit, and tourists. The flags up around the stadium are of Supporters Clubs dotted around the globe, with the occasional flag referencing St Marks in Gorton. It’s Disney already.
As there is no sign this proposal will impact grassroots locally in any way then I don’t see why there is any need for the hysteria. Sky of course will be completely against it but its hard to have any sympathy for them.
The modern football fan looks forward to rich owners.
The clubs complaining about Super League such as Brighton were calling for no relegation last year as it suited them.
Sky and UEFA are only concerned about being elbowed away from the trough by bigger and badder business men.
And the term “legacy fans” implies that they are unwanted. But you can’t fill a stadium with tourists 25/30 times a year, especially midweek. And if your crowds drop, your intrinsic worth as a club drops, and the intrinsic worth of the competition you play in drops. It’s alright to say football can survive without spectators in a time when no spectators are allowed. But if you’re not filling stadiums in a time when full stadiums are allowed, it becomes a vicious circle. Look what happened in Italy. Crowds started declining, which made the people who were attending less likely to go, and in turn meant less people wanted to go because the experience on offer was poor. Demand creates more demand. Lack of demand creates more lack of demand. There is no demand for this competition.
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I’d say one group is quite a bit larger than the other. Football made a terrible mistake 30 years ago when it started to price young people out. Really, it has to change the way people can be accommodated at stadia to break that trend - which means standing areas with low ticket prices. If you do that, you improve the atmosphere, you improve the local flavour, and it’s a virtuous circle.
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An essentially locked out format for pro rugby has ruined the Heineken Cup. England and France are talking of locking out their top leagues. Pro 14 is franchises only.
Whats the difference. Anyone claiming rubby has a moral high ground is a moron. I’ve seen plenty of it on twitter. The irony is sickening. But rubby is too small to sustain the current professional level without this
Lot of very naive lads here who still think it’s the 1960s… they’ll have saved football from greed if they stop the Super League 
He’s for it but not if there’s no relegation/promotion…
What has Big Sam said about it?
But that’s everyones fundamental problems. It’s a closed shop. 12 of those teams suckle all the riches irrespective of their performances. Entry is closed off or severely restricted to other teams.
The CL is currently the same format but teams have to qualify on merit.
Exactly - so he’s on the fence really.
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He seems against it.
But you see you can make an argument for a European Super League if it was, say, three or four divisions with links back to various national leagues or some sort of a qualifying competition to get into the lowest division.
But that’s not what’s on the table and that’s not what the dirty dozen want. If there were three or four European divisions, it would increase the jeopardy, because three or four European divisions would have a higher standard than say three or four English or Italian divisions - Celtic and Galtasaray and Spartak Moscow and the rest would now be competing on a similar playing field to Juventus.
The closed, no relegation nature of the new competition is the essential component of what Agnelli and Perez etc. are after. If there were promotion/relegation, Juventus could conceivably find themselves relegated to Division 3 of a European League and be playing Crystal Palace, Sheffield United and Ferencvaros. Which would be a much worse situation for Agnelli than the situation he’s currently in in Serie A.
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Yes, I get all that …
It’s two fat cunts fighting over a pie and the average joe is merely siding with one fat cunt over the other… greed and corruption doesnt go away if the super league is stopped, we just go back to pretending.
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