[QUOTE=âcarryharry, post: 967812, member: 1517â]Agreed.
Anyone who has Cork backed for the AI may follow me to the awful clown corner.[/QUOTE]
I think itâs no harm to see the all ireland odds lengthened!The Cork hurlers were lucky to get a draw with a rubbish Wahurford team the first day but we battered them in the replay.They then beat Clare and hopefully now theyâll land a munster title next month.Itâs asking much for an all ireland to be delivered in year 1 of the new managements term but their capable of better than what we saw this evening.I will say this though the way Cork played yesterday was like the bad old days of 2003/2004 all over again when we were cannon fodder for the likes of Limerick and Roscommon!
Not a great lot out there, and all these would be small bets IMO.
Meath to beat Kildare 13/8. Kildare started well but faded to get relegated, Meath slowly got better and i think were more focused on Championship. Its 50/50 really, but as bets go this weekend i think this is one of very few of any value and i like the way OâDowd goes about things and Kildare have actually lost alot of championship experience.
Monaghan -5 is 3/2. There is a clear gap between the teams anyway, but the suspensions will hurt Armagh. Going toe to toe defensively against Monaghan wonât work like in the league where Monaghan won by 10. I think thats close to the real difference here. I like the way Monaghan are set up and coached, whereas Grimley doesnât seemed to have moved on at all.
Laois are definitely worth a tenner in the hurling. Waterford will still be finding their way a bit.
If Armagh were at full strength I think they would give Monaghan a very close run. Think they still will give them a good match but theyâll definitely miss the lads they have out, Rafferty is probably the biggest loss. Armagh were superb defensively against Cavan and the scoreline was said to be flattering on Cavan.
Last year they lost by four points to Cavan in the Ulster Championship whereas this season they won by six, thatâs 10 point swing so I think they are definitely on an upward trajectory.
If Armagh were at full strength I think they would give Monaghan a very close run. Think they still will give them a good match but theyâll definitely miss the lads they have out, Rafferty is probably the biggest loss. Armagh were superb defensively against Cavan and the scoreline was said to be flattering on Cavan.
Last year they lost by four points to Cavan in the Ulster Championship whereas this season they won by six, thatâs 10 point swing so I think they are definitely on an upward trajectory.[/QUOTE]
Most reports identify Cavanâs shooting an Keating not playing a a big reason. They missed easy frees as well. Last year Armagh just simply didnât defend.
Armagh are nowhere near Monaghan all things being even. They are not that even this week, hence a possible bigger than normal gap. Monaghan were 6-7 points better than Tyrone in general play, and Tyrone are a nice bit better than Armagh.
With 2 more or less full strength teams Monaghan won by 10. Now I know teams can improve but thatâs a long gap, and even harder when you lose decent players to suspension.
On Grimley. Firstly he didnât bother with a defensive system and we all saw how that went. Now he implemented one but itâs very static and not dynamic. Granted it was a dour league game I saw this year but the movement from the back was poor an one dimensional. And then it seems everything revolves around Clarke. Now maybe that issue is forced due to lack of talent, but it looks like a plan of 7-8 years ago.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 971759, member: 273â]Most reports identify Cavanâs shooting an Keating not playing a a big reason. They missed easy frees as well. Last year Armagh just simply didnât defend.
Armagh are nowhere near Monaghan all things being even. They are not that even this week, hence a possible bigger than normal gap. Monaghan were 6-7 points better than Tyrone in general play, and Tyrone are a nice bit better than Armagh.
With 2 more or less full strength teams Monaghan won by 10. Now I know teams can improve but thatâs a long gap, and even harder when you lose decent players to suspension.
On Grimley. Firstly he didnât bother with a defensive system and we all saw how that went. Now he implemented one but itâs very static and not dynamic. Granted it was a dour league game I saw this year but the movement from the back was poor an one dimensional. And then it seems everything revolves around Clarke. Now maybe that issue is forced due to lack of talent, but it looks like a plan of 7-8 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Armagh hit more wides than Cavan in the match. Defensively Armagh were excellent against Cavan. Grimley has learned from last year and now has the team set up defensively. In the league they were missing Aaron Kernan, McKeever, Donaghy, Morgan and Vernon for the most part. Kernan and Morgan missed the whole league while McKeever, Donaghy and Vernon only managing about five games between them collectively.
What you would have seen in the league was Armaghâs B defence. They had 14 players out injured at one stage during the league.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 971753, member: 273â]Not a great lot out there, and all these would be small bets IMO.
Meath to beat Kildare 13/8. Kildare started well but faded to get relegated, Meath slowly got better and i think were more focused on Championship. Its 50/50 really, but as bets go this weekend i think this is one of very few of any value and i like the way OâDowd goes about things and Kildare have actually lost alot of championship experience.
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Meath have a load of injuries and missing one of their best forwards Mikey Newman so would see Kildare winning by 2-3.
Meath (SFC v Kildare) - Paddy OâRourke; Caolan Young, Kevin Reilly (capt), Mickey Burke; Padraic Harnan, Donal Keogan, Damien Carroll; Brian Meade, Bryan Menton; Donnacha Tobin, Shane OâRourke, Andy Tormey; Graham Reilly, Stephen Bray, Bryan McMahon.
Even with all the injuries, Iâd still fancy that Meath team to beat a Kildare side who blow very hot and cold. Two very âon their dayâ teams though, Iâd give that a wide berth.
They are all long term afaik, so they should have had adjusted. Meade has been out for a good while and Newman since earlier in league (although I am open to correction on that, basing it in when I heard about it from memory).
Itâs a good point nonetheless, but they are a much fitter and developed team. They have a couple of serious forwards coming thru at Minor/21 as well. I think they 'll be top 6 soon enough. Might be 2015/16, but they are making the right noises.
Kildare have promise too, but are flaky and their young stars seem unsettled. I would never underestimate experienced players leaving en-bloc. See Cork last week, Cork are going to be serious challengers, but it all takes time the way GAA is set up.
As I said, itâs 50-50, so I doubt either if us are far off.
[QUOTE=âIl Bomber Destro, post: 971762, member: 2533â]Armagh hit more wides than Cavan in the match. Defensively Armagh were excellent against Cavan. Grimley has learned from last year and now has the team set up defensively. In the league they were missing Aaron Kernan, McKeever, Donaghy, Morgan and Vernon for the most part. Kernan and Morgan missed the whole league while McKeever, Donaghy and Vernon only managing about five games between them collectively.
What you would have seen in the league was Armaghâs B defence. They had 14 players out injured at one stage during the league.[/QUOTE]
That doesnât change the system or the style they were attempting. It also points to them being unsettled.
You need most of your team together for most if the league, itâs the only way to build. Confidence and team play are like shooting and tackling, they are skills that need to be gained and practiced.
That shite they were at against Cavan shows me they felt they needed another edge and Cavan showed they are a bit soft. The same shite wonât happen or wash with Monaghan.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 971759, member: 273â]Most reports identify Cavanâs shooting an Keating not playing a a big reason.
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Eh, Keating played :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 971770, member: 273â]They are all long term afaik, so they should have had adjusted. Meade has been out for a good while and Newman since earlier in league (although I am open to correction on that, basing it in when I heard about it from memory).
Itâs a good point nonetheless, but they are a much fitter and developed team. They have a couple of serious forwards coming thru at Minor/21 as well. I think they 'll be top 6 soon enough. Might be 2015/16, but they are making the right noises.
Kildare have promise too, but are flaky and their young stars seem unsettled. I would never underestimate experienced players leaving en-bloc. See Cork last week, Cork are going to be serious challengers, but it all takes time the way GAA is set up.
As I said, itâs 50-50, so I doubt either if us are far off.[/QUOTE]
Nah, Newman was back in training, due to start, before re-injuring the hamstring in training on Tuesday. Same story with Gillespie, only in the last few weeks.
Thereâs been great progress made by Ryan regarding the physical ability of the team, lads are looking very lean, as opposed to the lumbering, bloated creatine mongs some of the lads had become in the last few years.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 971770, member: 273â]They are all long term afaik, so they should have had adjusted. Meade has been out for a good while and Newman since earlier in league (although I am open to correction on that, basing it in when I heard about it from memory).
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Newman got injured in training during the week. He scored a hat trick of goals vs Carlow ffs :rolleyes:
Kildare (SFC v Meath): Mark Donnellan; Hugh McGrillen, Michael Foley, Emmet Bolton; Ollie Lyons, Fergal Conway, Keith Cribbin; Tommy Moolick, Padraig Oâ Neill; Cathal McNally, Eamonn Callaghan, Sean Hurley; Niall Kelly, Padraig Fogarty, Paddy Brophy
No named changes from the Louth game. Good to see Conway getting the nod, there was talk of Eoin Doyle coming back into the XV. Iâd really hope Eoin OâFlaherty starts on the day, because his ability to unlock defences would be a huge bonus over the work ethic of someone like Paudie or McNally.
@caoimhaoin 's been caught bluffing again here. Why he couldnât just admit he hadnât realised Gillespie, Newman and the other speedster forward who scored the goal against Tyrone last year are all out is beyond me? Iâd give a tentative nod to Kildare but itâs one to avoid for betting purposes alright.
