Galway v Tipperary - All Ireland Senior Hurling Semi-Final 2017

Problem hurling has is that as the year goes on the pressure mounts on referees to let it flow, don’t deny a lad a place in a final etc. End up with inconsistent refereeing as they cannot give a free for every pull back, arm dragging etc. The advantage rule was designed to facilitate this to let “game flow” but is it an advantage to shoot on the move versus a free anywhere in opposition half.

Kelly used to apply the rules strictly. Got hammered for it. Lost a bit of fitness. Let a bit go for both yesterday but also whistled some fussy frees. It’s the way hurling is now. All teams foul and know a ref won’t call them all - better teams are cuter at it

No one is saying it’s not a red — No one can say for sure if TDB purposely did it, they were tangled up and it looked like he was tying to break free and push him away, it happened in a split second.

I’ve met a share of Tipp lads on my travels this morning and, in fairness to them, there’s very little whinging about Barry Kelly. Mick Church is not getting off as lightly, though.

Ryan made right call over Barrett

Tipp manager’s decision to stand firm over player will benefit them in the long run

Denis Walsh
August 6 2017, 12:01am, The Sunday Times
No way back: Cathal Barrett was dropped from the panel in May
No way back: Cathal Barrett was dropped from the panel in May
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The striking thing about the continuing commentary on Cathal Barrett’s exclusion from the Tipperary panel is the focus on short-term consequences. The belief that Tipperary’s chances of beating Galway today are wholly undermined by his absence and that Michael Ryan has sabotaged Tipperary’s prospects of retaining the All-Ireland for the first time in more than 50 years by not softening his position and granting Barrett a pardon. Very little, maybe nothing, has been said about the potential long-term gains of Ryan’s stance.

Ten days ago, at Tipperary’s media briefing in advance of today’s match, Ryan made it abundantly clear that “there will be no more changes” to the Tipperary panel in 2017. It was reported that a number of senior players had made a petition to Ryan on Barrett’s behalf and that other approaches had been made by concerned parties. Ryan rebuffed all representations.

The mistake is to evaluate Barrett’s case in isolation. For the last five years successive Tipperary managements have been dealing with explosions of indiscipline, in various settings and on a variety of scales. A handful of incidents reached the courts though not the pages of the local or national press. In that sense, but in that sense only, the fall-out was contained. Everybody on the panel and plenty of people in Tipperary knew the score.

Ryan had acted as a Tipperary selector for five of the previous seven seasons before he took over as manager. He had an intimate knowledge of the players in his dressing room, their back story and in some cases their failings. The culture that surrounded the team was that stuff would happen from time to time but that stuff would be sorted. Players would have been carpeted for messing up but nobody was cut from the panel. The ultimate sanction was held in reserve. For years, though, none of the players lived in mortal dread of it.

The last Tipperary manager to publicly drop a player for a breach of discipline was Babs Keating in 2006. After their Munster final loss to Cork Tipp had a scheduled recovery session on the following night. However, five players went drinking on Monday and skipped the session. Shane McGrath, Conor O’Mahony and John Carroll were hauled over the coals and made to train separately on the following Thursday night but Michael Webster and Redser O’Grady, who was captain that year, were dropped from the squad. Webster returned to the panel for the following season but O’Grady never played again.

In this case Ryan needed to make a statement of that magnitude. Barrett had crossed the line in the past. This wasn’t his first offence.

What happens when you make exceptions? Two years ago there was a situation in Clare that got messy. Three players were punished for a breach of discipline but one of them, Davy O’Halloran, accused the Clare management of “double standards.” By his account another high-profile player had committed a similar breach of the code but his infraction had been ignored.

The player in question had apparently admitted to another member of the panel that he had been quietly pulled up about his drinking and his cards had been marked. No further action was taken against him. This spring, however, that same high-profile player was dropped quietly for a number of weeks for a breach of discipline. It was handled discreetly but firmly. Would that player have thought twice about his actions if he had been sanctioned two years ago? Probably.

After Tipperary won the All-Ireland last September Ryan was determined that his players wouldn’t lose the run of themselves. That their lap of honour would be controlled and dignified. Ryan had managed that as well as could possibly have been expected. A couple of weeks before the Cork game there was a minor incident at a charity Fun Run for which two players were forced to apologise to the squad but apart from that there had been no tremors, much less an earthquake. Until this.

On a parallel track, Tipp have problems in their full-back line. Nine different players were tried there during the League plus Sean O’Brien, who came on for his senior competitive debut against Clare a fortnight ago. Barrett would make a significant difference. But at what cost? Ryan needed all of his players to understand that if they were going to behave foolishly he was prepared to hit them with the ultimate sanction, regardless of their status. His decision to carry on without Barrett was absolutely right, whatever happens today

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Stop making sense .

And both got yellow cards

My two cents .

Galway had a grievance regards Keady . Some cunt grassed him up. They channeled the sense of grievance in the wrong way . The game was well well winnable if they hurled sensibly . Tipp were under awful pressure that year and may well have folded if Galway were focused properly.

Denton did little enough wrong on the day if truth told . Galway played to extract vengence rather that win an all Ireland semi final .

It was handled badly by Galway and I would love to hear Cyril’s opinion on the whole saga at this stage .

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That was a very sensible article by DW .

That Jackie Cahill is some weasel.

Nobody should be surprised by him though, this is the fella who made a story about a parent tweeting her displeasure over her son not being selected for a championship match. The tweet was subsequently deleted but the prick still managed to dig it up and make a big song and dance about it, embarrassing the people involved. A horrible little prick. Gutter journalism.

Anyone who thinks The Sunday Game got many texts or emails from Waterford fans about the Tuohy incident is a fool too. That was their excuse to raise the incident. If they introduced it as “there’s an incident us in the studio picked up” they’d leave themselves open to a media ban from Galway before the final if he gets banned. Blaming it on Waterford supporters was a nice little pretence to mentioning it.

Ryan has no choice to but to say that, but he is right nonetheless. Regardless of how he deals with it a manager can’t be blamed for an individual breaking the rules of the setup in such a blatant fashion. Fair enough to criticise the wisdom of drink bans etc but that’s a collective decision, not something a player can just decide for himself. That road leads to disaster for any manager.

Canning said something in that interview yesterday about drink bans creating a culture of big piss-ups in the GAA. That isn’t true at all. It’s the culture of big piss-ups that create the need for drink bans. If managers could trust players not to do the dog on it then there wouldn’t be any need for blanket bans. But the reality is that some lads if given an inch will take a mile, and that culture spreads quickly in a squad. The manager ends up looking weak with the players themselves often first to point the finger.

The truth is that even at intercounty level a lot of players still act like children and won’t take responsibility themselves for their preparation. They’ll get pissed in a nightclub the week before a championship match, and whether the manager acts or not he ends up getting the blame for it.

The comment last night where DC said about the "calls from Waterford " was an utter disgrace and the Waterford Co board should question its veracity.

I’d safely say they didn’t receive a single call or text about it. Just using that as a flag of convenience to stir things up.

You’d want to be fairly sad to go running to TSG looking to get a lad banned from the biggest game of his career after a pulsating game like yesterday had just ended.

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Ah for fucks sake :joy:

He was fucking terrible. The worst performance I’ve ever seen by a ref in a big game. Outrageous decisions throughout.

Some of the worst of them were Leahy’s wild pull across Finnerty that he got away with, with Finnerty then being booked for absolutely nothing straight after it. There was a free given against Gerry Mc where he cleanly knocked the ball away from Cleary, and not even a Tipp man could have imagined a foul out of it. There was a truly bizarre call against Lynskey where he pulled on and connected with a dropping ball from a puckout where it’s impossible to see what even Denton could have given a free for.

On the other hand if Leahy been wearing a Galway jersey that day he’d have been sent off twice.

Tipp were the better team and had a much better set of forwards on the day, but Galway still could have won it if not for Denton. He deserves every ounce of criticism he got and more.

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Apart from @anon70480284

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It’s a rule that bears all the hallmarks of committee busy work. Was never an issue for players. Straight reds for it are madness.

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:rollseyes:

Still seething :rofl:

There was a passage of play with about 8 or 10 left that was physically breathtaking. The hits were out of this world for such a multi directional amateur sport.

Have not enjoyed sport as much as that 2nd half in a long time

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Galway were badly focused that day . They went out with a grievance and were beyond the limits . They never shut up in the month preceding the game which can’t have been good for preparation . The game was well winnable but they blew it . Before blaming the GAA , Denton and grassing fuckers in New York they should look first at themselves . You know the first rule about “control the controllables” .

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They may well have been but that strikes me as an attempt to blame Galway for several wrongs done to them. The Keady thing alone will disgrace Tipp forever more. Denton is in the gobshite ref hall of fame. After all that you can say that they went out seeing red. But who can blame them either.