Gola,
I think your are being harsh here. Premise of Totti’s point is that some suicides may be the product of depression/mental illness while some others may be the product of individuals unable to deal with a crisis.
Both are tragic and I would have compassion for both.
I’m not getting into an argument with you here so how about trying to read over those posts again. People who have had tougher upbringings have a stronger inbuilt character, I think they are more adept to dealing with bad things that may happen in their lives, their emotions are more hardened. That’s my opinion, I’m not saying I’m right or wrong.
No I don’t believe upbringing or having had it too easy growing up has the slightest thing to do with suicide I’d disagree with him strongly. It’s a real smug superior attitude imo. There but for the grace of god as they say
There’s evidence that suicide rates go down in times of war. Mind you there’s also evidence to the contrary so I don’t know what to think on that score.
No, I’m not 12 years of age. Why don’t we see cases of people who have come through severe depression in the media? It’s our biggest killer, I’m a big advocate of reducing our spending on road saftey and pumping it into mental health. Nobody likes to hear of another humans death. My main issue with this particular case is the children left behind. How could Gary Speed do such a thing to his family, no matter how big his problems.
As I’ve said above, mental health should be a huge focus throughout the media. More people die a year through suicide than through RTA’s so why is our media expenditure on preventing one far greater than the other? We are talking about the loss of a life here, and yes, it is not wrong to tell a 42 year old man with 2 children that he needs serious help if he’s considering suicide. If somebody had murdered him could you imagine the out rage toward the murderer? It’s not a case of saying, “oh I don’t condone what he’s done and he should have more cop on”. His life was taken by his own hand and he left two children and a wife behind, all by his own doing. It’s a horrendous thing to do. Being a high profile case, hopefully those suffering with the disease will seek help from family, friends any institution that can help them.
Well I do believe that and I know suicide would have had a much heavier impact on the lives of my youngest brothers where a 10 year age gap exists, than it would have had on me. They’re the dots I’m connecting and I’m not claiming to be right or wrong, just my life experience speaking.
Suicide rates have gone up, sure everyone know that. I’d say there’s more factors than the greater affluence of the younger generation at play though. Would say the majority of suicides I’d know of would come from ‘tougher’ upbringings to be honest.
Would the suicide rate be higher in Finglas than Foxrock for example? I’d imagine it would be at least equal if not slightly higher in Finglas.
And why would you say suicide has gone up between the generations? I never made a geographical or demographical link between suicides. I made one between time eras, we were brought up differently to youngsters of today and I think that’s a key factor and there’s probably a similar correlation between our upbringings and those of our fathers and mothers.
Sure if it was as simple as having an easier, more affluent upbringing leading to you being emotionally weaker then suicide rates would be much higher in affluent areas. I’d say an awful lot of suicides years ago were hushed up because of the stigma involved too so I wouldn’t be relying too much on that.
I don’t think that’s true, look at the current economic climate right now. Is it the people from affluent areas being effected more or is it those from the working class areas? I feel this generation is unprepared for the current cycle, do you think they could work and slave like our fathers did to put food on the table? When you grow up in that kind of environment I do think it prepares you.
As for suicides being hushed, that’s simply a matter of conjecture really. I think if you’ve ever discussed this with you parents/aunts/uncles they will tell you it simply wasn’t an issue back then. I touched on it earlier, life is pretty simplistic for me, maybe if I grew up in a different era it would be much more layered.
Basically I think suicide cannot be blamed on a person’s upbringing or lack of strength of character, it’s as simple as that. You often don’t know what may have been covered up in terms of abuse or the likes in a person’s life so would never really judge them.
Maybe I was a bit harsh in thinking you were acting the internet hardman earlier but I still don’t know what you were trying to say though?
The highest suicide rate in this country is currently with members of the travelling community which is approximately 7 times higher than members of settled society. I doubt too many would argue that travellers have had a soft upbrining or fixate with commercialism
RIP Gary Speed, a real footballers footballer and one of my heroes growing up. A terrible tragedy
but do you not see, if people like you go around those calling people who commit suicide who had issues a disgrace, it further vilifies and makes it a closed shop, so those who are thinking about it dont seek help, because of the attitude that they are a disgrace and they shouldnt even be contemplating something like it. this attitude that people who commit suicide are an embaressment and a disgrace is what keeps mental health issues and suicide such a taboo subject here. I’m not saying to come out and glorify Speed, just that instead of knocking him, it should be shown how it was a sad incident and one that could be prevented with the proper help.