General Election 2016

Hey @Tallback

Firstly I argued that the article you referenced did not illustrate what you suggested it did. You havenā€™t responded on that point so I assume you accept that you misread it or misinterpreted it. The article presented absolutely no basis for arguing that Ireland had a more progressive overall tax regime than other OECD countries. It simply compared Irelandā€™s tax system with 1 other. Itā€™s on that basis that I attacked the report. Itā€™s dangerously ambiguously written (as evidenced by your misinterpretation of it). It starts off comparing Ireland to other OECD countries but quickly changes the comparison to just Finland. Presumably that helped the author make his point. Either way it makes for crap academic or policy writing and it discredits the piece entirely.

In summary, a deliberately ambiguous and misleading article that in actual fact proves next to nothing about Irelandā€™s tax rate in comparison to other OECD countries.

You seem hung up on proving that Irelandā€™s overall tax regime is progressive. I havenā€™t argued that point with you. I do find it odd that you think itā€™s reasonable to exclude the bottom 3 deciles. The whole objective of a progressive tax regime is to protect the poorest. You are arguing that we have a progressive tax regime, apart from the bottom 30%. Thatā€™s a bizarre argument to be relying on.

Weā€™ve done very well at eradicating poverty among the top 70% of earners in the country. Wow.

By the way, there are very few countries in the world that donā€™t have some element of progressive tax regime. That might be why youā€™ve been unable to prove that Irelandā€™s tax system compares favourably with those of other countries, beyond the report you already produced and which says nothing of the sort.

Could they be given food vouchers instead of cash so you know the money is being spent on the right things?

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To quote from that article:

ā€œThe evidence suggests that the total tax system in Ireland is among the most progressive in the OECDā€

The author bases that upon the fact that the direct tax system is amongst the most progressive which has been measured by the OECD. Do you accept that?

When it comes to indirect taxes (which by their nature can be regressive) their seems to be much less data comparing countries but the initial report suggested Ireland is better positioned apart from UK/Malta than most due to its zero VAT on food. Do you have data to suggest that Ireland is significantly more regressive than other OECD countries on indirect taxes that would overcome the progressive nature of the direct taxes?

The report also comments on the point I made about Expenditure vs Income in the bottom 3 deciles.I donā€™t think the bottom 3 deciles should be excluded. I think that itā€™s an odd situation and should be examined more and I was suggesting it was due to the way it has been measured i.e. Gross income vs Expenditure. Thereā€™s very little policy from any party about this though it would seem,

Iā€™m here listening to the finance ministers and I canā€™t see noonan serving another 5 yeard

Heā€™ll be dead in two years and heā€™ll be banished to hell.

At least he found a way to give some of his hard earned cash to SF.

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The report is crap.

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They are just trying to be edgy in a desperate attempt to hang onto their youth.

Howlan won

:joy:

Limerick City candidates up in 3 minutes.

How do they contact people for polls?

Iā€™m voting for the Green party. Your man convinced me.

SF IRA DID OK:joy:

TheJournal Politics ā€@TJ_Politics Ā· 2m2 minutes ago

SBP/Red C poll
FG 30% (+2)
FF 18% (-)
SF 16% (-4)
Lab 8% (-)
Ind/Others 28% (+2)
http://www.businesspost.ie/election-2016-fine-gael-surge-ahead-in-final-stretch-of-campaign/ ā€¦ #GE16

Donā€™t mind the Body odour chap, he hasnā€™t even read the SF/IRA manifesto.

Gamechanger
Momentum shift from the Kaiser

Not one candidate has even mentioned the idea of legalizing Drugs. Not fucking one.

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