The Anti Treaty forces would not accept the democratic will of the Irish people. They are solely responsible.
The total vote looks wrong. 641271 votes out of an electorate of 1430104 is only 44.8%. That is an incredibly low turnout %
Were the people who didnât turn out forced not to?
@Tim_Riggins will correct me if I am wrong here but I think a lot of seats were uncontested because of the pact between the pro and anti side.
No. Collins turned British weapons on those who resisted British occupation in Ireland. Try and put whatever slant on it you want but Collins started the Civil war. His hands were dripping with blood. Collins was also responsible for the years of violence in the north of Ireland. He signed up to create a sectarian state.
The IRA ceased to exist a while back. You seem to be holding Sinn FĂ©in to account when it comes to past events of a violent nature but giving other Irish political parties a reprieve. When will you not care about Sinn FĂ©inâs links to the now defunct IRA in the same way you donât care about Fine Gaelâs links with physical force? Is it just a matter of time?
Thereâs a regularly mentioned need for the next generation in Sinn FĂ©in to come through - i.e. those who didnât represent them in the north when it was occupied by British armed forces - in order to make them more palatable to some voters. Iâm more interested in the here and now and whatâs going to happen in the future.
Obviously we can be informed by whatâs happened in the past and thereâs always going to be debates/digs about what actions parties took in the past, failed/dumb policies etc. But I think the mention the IRA and then mention it another 100 times approach by the likes of Regina Doherty is as futile as it is repetitive.
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And the poor oul ratepayers got fucked.
Plus ca change
The Businessmenâs Party. We need to get these lads back on the road, a party the whole board could get behind.
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Itâs best not to engage with these idiots- thereâs a little clique of them delighting in spitting out the same old tired bullshit. Like you, I am voting on 2016 issues, not 1916. Up the ra.
Iâve already said Bandage that once the IRA members within their leadership move on I have no problem with them being in government bar my disagreements with them over tax and spending. I donât see them as being radically different to the Labour Party in government, another party I just wonât vote for.
SF had no democratic mandate to wage the war they did. Even if one is to ignore that, the number of atrocities and civilian murders they were responsible for makes them unfit for office. As recently as 13 years ago the SF Ărd Fheis rose to applaud the murderers and theives responsible for Garda McCabeâs murder.
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Hardly, look at Wexford. They dumped two of their Sinn fein TDs. For labour and a farmer.
Who fears to speak of 98?
Self-interest & economic standing influenced the individual voter, as it always has.
It was a democratic endorsement of the Treaty. A Treaty already endorsed by the elected members of the Sinn FĂ©in parliament (which made up the nationalist elected representatives) and the Cabinet.
Most in the Anti Treaty side realised their mistake quickly and changed tactic with Fianna FĂĄil. SF 80 years later did the same.
Eh⊠are they not Fine Gael now?
But why did the missing voters not turn out?
There was an election pact. The flaw in your thinking above is that the Labour Party, Farmers Party et al would have been anti treaty. They werenât. Voters went for 75% of canidates who backed the treaty, after the previous cabinet and DĂĄil voted in favour of it. In Northern Ireland it was ratified. Both had a pretty much equal number of unopposed seats.
It was democratically endorsed.
Iâm not sure why SF go after FG or FG go after SF. Obviously hardcore from both parties at best strongly dislike the other and the policies etc, as can be seen from the endless sniping here. However, over the short-term, I donât see a huge amount of votes transferring between the two so itâs not where the real battle for gains is to be fought.
In both cases, the target should be FF. As @Tim_Riggins has pointed out, the path that SF are looking to follow is that previously taken by FF. The more left and working-class element of FF, in addition to whatever republican elements still remain in it is a far more likely block to go to SF. This is the main effect of all the IRA etc talk and why it irks the SF leadership so much, they knew there was a real chance to convince some of those voters and talk like that certainly dissuades some.
In the case of FG, they needed to be focussing on retaining the FF voters that came over to them in 2011. These were probably predominantly middle class types who had stuck with FF through the Bertie boom years. Their goal should be to replace FF as the main party of the middle classes.
In that sense, if polls play out broadly as stands, i.e. SF circa 15%, FF 20-22% and FG 28-30%, then the big winner in this election will have been FF. If this election had gone badly and they had more votes nibbled from either edge then their future would genuinely have been in doubt. However, both SF and FG, through their average election performances including from both leaders, have left them off the hook.
More bad news for the coalition.
I agree that FF are the snakes in the room.
Where did I say this?
This whole gig is now heading for a replay, extra time and penalties. You heard it here first. This dail will be more hung than a jockies bollox.
You read it here first.
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