General Election 2020 Part 2

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Julio_Geordio

@Dziekanowski

@the_man_himself

There aren’t that many other options. How many PBP/Social Democrat candidates were there in the election outside city constituencies? Labour aren’t seen as lefty anymore really

Labour, Social Democrats, Greens, PBP. That’s four options. They’d have more candidates if they had more members and had more support, the chicken and the egg and all that. On the bread and butter issues, Sinn Fein are close enough to all of them and they’re all close enough to each other. They all agree on a hell of a lot more stuff that they disagree on. And SF too broadly agrees with them on most things.

SF just has a past that the others don’t.

Labour would be foolish to go into power now as the mud flap for the other two. They need to go away and rebuild.
Soc Dems would want to be very careful also, they are building a nice brand among the woke brigade that could come tumbling down very quickly when real life decisions have to be made. They are at a crucial stage in terms of passing out labour, as the “safe” left option.
Can’t see FF going in with PBP.
Independents doesn’t work, it’s way too messy and you’d have no budget left for anything after you’d bought them all.
It’s got to be the Greens, they are power hungry and easily exploitable. They have no real ideology other than a vague “greenness”. A few segregated bicycle lanes to nowhere and everyone is happy.

And they are led by a simpleton

[Midshipman_Asha]

@ChairmanDan

…est TD elected and I can’t imagine him doing a deal with anyone while Fitzmaurice enjoys siting on the pot. IRA/SF could try to bring in some of the left-leaning but some of them won’t want to deal with FF while others won’t want to deal with SF!It really has to be the Greens and FF, which will be 87.

Why is Michael Collins so angry?
I’ve kind of dismissed him because I thought he was a feed our own first merchant but now I’ll have a closer look

[Dziekanowski]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

The Provos brought the British government and unionists to the negotiating table and defended their communities when nobody else would.

Their campaign was necessary and it history will prove it was vital to delivery of a United Ireland.

I think you can argue that they did bring the British Government to the negotiating table, or at least to back channel negotiations. But a lot of the acts that forced that back channel negotiation were undeniably evil.

And the ceasefire in itself was tacit admission that the strategy up to then hadn’t worked in terms of achieving its aim, that a different strategy would be needed to do that. And that strategy so far hasn’t borne any fruit in terms of the mian aim, which is a united Ireland.

Ultimately, it’s only outbreeding and demographic change which will bring about a united Ireland.

[anon7035031]

The left wing parties you mentioned won at least half their seats due to SF transfers. If there was another election next week and SF ran more candidates, SF would win about 50 seats. The reason is SF are now seen by the electorate as a viable party to have a senior role in government.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Dziekanowski

I don;t know why you’d be a member of Fianna Fail if you considered Michael Collins a hero. I don’t know why you’d be a member of Fine Gael if you thought Michael Collins was wrong.

Lots of FGers were former Unionists. Maurice Dockrell ran in the local elections a few years ago in Blackrock for FG. His great grand father was a Unionist MP with his son and then grandson joined FG. Lots of Unionists did down South in fact, FG are abused for being West Brits but the ironic thing is that they had more integration with Unionists who accepted Ireland as an independent State than any other Irish political party!

I happen to know a recent Chair of Ógra FF and someone who was a couple of votes off their national executive a couple of years ago too. Both big fans of Collins and say he’d have ended up in FF.

[anon61878697]

#gaffs

[Julio_Geordio]

@Fagan_ODowd

And they are led by a simpleton

Exactly, he’d be easily controlled by the other two.

[anon7035031]

I actually agree it was a mistake for the IRA to focus on targets in NI, which led to inevitable sectarian bloodshed. They should have targeted the mainland much more aggressively.

[Juhniallio]

@Julio_Geordio

…s doesn’t work, it’s way too messy and you’d have no budget left for anything after you’d bought them all.It’s got to be the Greens, they are power hungry and easily exploitable. They have no real ideology other than a vague “greenness”. A few segregated bicycle lanes to nowhere and everyone is happy.

A carbon tax that will hit people where it hurts, a retrofitting scheme which will not only cost millions but also suck up a load of construction workers who will be needed for all the houses. and a load of wolves which Putin won’t let go cheap…

[glenshane]

@anon7035031

They should have targeted the mainland much more aggressively.

Hard to believe they never invested in an airforce

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

It’s war though, bad things are inevitable, lines are blurred and people aren’t thinking clearly. It’s the atmosphere and environment that was allowed fester that was the cause. The British and Free State governments have never owned up to their responsibility towards the troubles.

[Dziekanowski]

@anon7035031

The left wing parties you mentioned won at least half their seats due to SF transfers. If there was another election next week and SF ran more candidates, SF would win about 50 seats. The reason is SF are now seen by the electorate as a viable party to have a senior role in government.

I know. But Labour were seen as that nine years ago, they got the same number of seats as SF did this time.

The question is one of branding and strategy. The politics aren’t essentially different. Anybody in Labour, the Greens and the Soc Dems could be in one of the other and nobody would know the difference. Anybody in SF could probably be in PBP and people wouldn’t know the difference. Most of SF could be in Labour, the Greens and the Soc Dems and people probably wouldn’t know the difference.

The issue is one of branding and strategy. The politics aren’t much different, if at all.

[gaillimhmick]

@anon61878697

@anon61878697

https://twitter.com/moneillsf/status/1227223015382847489

The Waterford brigade could be out to get her

[farmerinthecity]

Leave more bombs in pubs and run away you mean?

[farmerinthecity]

@Dziekanowski

The question is one of branding and strategy.

[Dziekanowski]

@Fagan_ODowd

Sean Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus, TD for Dublin North East

Sean Alderman Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus, thank you.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

It’s undeniable that when the Provos switched the campaign to mainland UK that is when they had a bigger impact on the Brits. It was the likes of the Canary Wharf bomb which caused them the most distress.

[Dziekanowski]

@anon7035031

I actually agree it was a mistake for the IRA to focus on targets in NI, which led to inevitable sectarian bloodshed. They should have targeted the mainland much more aggressively.

I think Warrington and the Baltic Exchange were aggressive enough.

It’s interesting you say this though as it does sort of leave open the moral justification to anybody so minded that they could and should do this.

[farmerinthecity]

They had evolved their bomb making and general strategy from blowing away 22 innocent people in a pub.

Not to mention letting 6 innocent men rot in jail.

[Juhniallio]

1/2 Soc Dems are ex Labour. Shortall, Murphy, O Callaghan. Shortall and O Callaghan took all the perks and left it late to make their ‘principled stand’. Murphy left because of Stagg (couldn’t get past him and wanted to further herself.) The actual politics are very similar.