General Election 2020 Part 2

[tallback]

@Dziekanowski

@tallback

Hang on a second - do you want FG in gov or not. The anger here from SF supporters to FG seems to be both that they’ll stay in government and then that they won’t.

I don’t see much anger from SF supporters. I didn’t vote for SF.

I’d be happy enough if FG went in with SF. Then again I’d be happy enough if they went in with FF because it would be the end of the FFG hegemony. Then again I’d be happy enough if FG didn’t go in with either SF or FF because it would probably mean another election in which FFG would lose more seats.

So, I’d be happy enough with pretty much any plausible situation, really.

Go on Twitter underneath any tweet in recent days from journalists relating to SF and you’ll find anger by the bucketful.

I’m happy that you’re zen though.

[tallback]

@Dziekanowski

@ChairmanDan

Fine Gael have no mandate. They’ve gone from 76 seats in 2011, to 50 seats in 2016 to 35 seats in 2020. The people want Change. That was the mantra all through the campaign and it’s up to IRA/SF and Fianna Fáil to come together to deliver the change they fought the election on.

@tallback just said mandate is decided by seats, not vote share. Surely then it’s Fianna Fail who have the mandate for “change”?

Fianna Fail. Change.

I said primarily seats then votes. Don’t selectively misquote me.

[Juhniallio]

@Dziekanowski

@tallback

Hang on a second - do you want FG in gov or not. The anger here from SF supporters to FG seems to be both that they’ll stay in government and then that they won’t.

I don’t see much anger from SF supporters. I didn’t vote for SF.

You missed out on Frank on Liveline today so.

[Lazarus]

I believe every word. You are angry and confused and lashing out with insults. Be better

[gaillimhmick]

Not unlike our elected representatives, the left is all over the place in here. Christ, leaving them to govern the country doesn’t bear thinking about.

[Lazarus]

The left are the future

[tallback]

@Lazarus

The left are the future

It’s always over the next hill isn’t it ?

[gaillimhmick]

Goad away kid, I’m not going to engage anymore with you amateur antics. You’re out of your depth, fact. I’m not trying to insult you, I’m just a purveyor of the truth.

[Dziekanowski]

@Juhniallio

Might not change hugely in terms of the overall left/right balance though.
A lot of the seat gains will be from PBP and left leaning independents. I’d see Labour losing at least 2 Soc Dems at least 1. FG would probably go up a couple. Who knows what the fuck would happen with FF.

The overall balance in a second election mightn’t change hugely, but SF would probably get 50 seats and clean up in the places they missed out this time, and the pressure to be a junior coalition partner on FFG would be much stronger than it is now, because that would be the second election after which a government was at risk of not being formed, and the finger would be squarely aimed at them.

Fianna Fail are the fool here. They have one chance to remain relevant and remain relvant long term, and that’s by leading a coalition government with Sinn Fein. Fianna Fail need to lead another government to be relevant, they need it like oxygen. If ever the saying “pride comes before a fall” was apt…

[anon7035031]

There’s only a few leftists in here but like all leftists they are very loud. Empty cans etc. What they fail to understand is last weekends vote was a protest vote, an anyone but FFG vote. Most of those voting for SF wouldn’t even know what left and right means, the only leftists are those giving their first preference to PBP and Labour, Sidney Laz and a few Joe Loughnanes.

[Juhniallio]

@tallback

@Lazarus

The left are the future

It’s always over the next hill isn’t it ?

It was. Until people could no longer afford to buy houses once they’d served their life apprenticeships. Now you have a really angry cohort of people from 18-35. And they seemed to bother their arses voting.
It maybe LEo’s best move to throw the Horsey set a few bob and have them organise student race days at every race course in the country for the next election date.

[Lazarus]

Purveyor of bravado on the INTERNET. You engaged, not the other way round. If you can’t handle democracy let alone the truth then by all means sulk away and sling your hook

[Juhniallio]

I’d agree with all of that. But FF are proving extremely stubborn on this issue. Unless champ falls on his sword, they cant really reverse it.

[tallback]

@Juhniallio

@tallback

@Lazarus

The left are the future

It’s always over the next hill isn’t it ?

It was. Until people could no longer afford to buy houses once they’d served their life apprenticeships. Now you have a really angry cohort of people from 18-35. And they seemed to bother their arses voting.
It maybe LEo’s best move to throw the Horsey set a few bob and have them organise student race days at every race course in the country for the next election date.

Agreed about anger. What’s striking though is that even though the numbers are unlikely, the various left parties have been jumping away from the idea of a left coalition this week.

They’ve heard the anger and campaigned for change based on it but mostly now seem happy to wait until the next election. Cold water being poured by Greens, Labour and Social Democrats.

It’s always over the next hill.

SF might win 50 in another election but you’d question how likely they’d get Greens/SD/Lab/PBP on board even if the numbers stacked up.

It’s always over the next hill …

[Dziekanowski]

@Juhniallio

I’d agree with all of that. But FF are proving extremely stubborn on this issue. Unless champ falls on his sword, they cant really reverse it.

Is it not the simpleton foot soldiers on the backbenches who are really the problem though? The Chamberseseses etc. Martin’s desperation makes me think he could fold, but I think it’s more likely he’ll jump FG into an arrangement.

How long after the '89 election did it it take FF to relent about coalition? That election was on June 15th and I’m sure there wasn’t a coalition formed or possibly even an announcement of initial talks until about July 7th.

The FF/Labour government took until January to be formed. I’ve less of a memory of recent years but didn’t the arrangement last time take a good while too?

[Lazarus]

@anon7035031

like all leftists they are very loud

They were loud in the election too. Something you need to get used to

[Lazarus]

‘Tidal wave for SF’ ‘Its clear the vast majority want SF in government’ ‘masses against the classes’. This lady has her eyes and ears wide open, some fellas on here could learn something and should really start accepting the will of the people

[tazdedub]

Jaysus its all very calm on the Tonight show. Very civil.

[tazdedub]

Larrissa Nolan speaking some sense here.

[ChairmanDan]

@tallback

I said primarily seats then votes. Don’t selectively misquote me.

Very silly of IRA/SF not to run more candidates with all those seats that were there for them going to waste. Mind you, not running extra candidates pretty much guaranteed they wouldn’t end up with most seats and provides an excuse to shirk the responsibility of going into government.