KK destroy everyone-
[quote=âMacâ]
The county board sat back on their laurels after the AI win in '96 and weâre still feeling the effects of it. [/quote]
Similar in Clare after 95 and 97. The worst thing in Clare was that this superstar complex developed amongst underage clare teams. You couldnât walk down O Connell street for Flannans and Clare tops, and before you knew it Clare quickly slipped back into an 80âs style slump. Hopefully weâre well on the way back now though.
[quote=âKIB manâ]Clare twice hammered the shit out of Wexford. They were average Clare sides too.
Wexford are destroyed by KK on an annual basis.
The replays against Cork and Tipp in those semi finals were hammerings.
One point wins over Offaly and Dublin dont hold much value.
Iâm struggling to think of the last really good Wexford performance in the Championship. When was the last league title or even league final appearance?
John Meyler may not have been much of a manager but you cant shine shit either.
I have a feeling that u21 final appearance was in 2001. Did Barry Lambert not miss a free at the end to equalise? Its 8 years ago this year too.[/quote]
Iâm not sure if youâre attempting to wind lads up or being serious but the dogs on the street know Wexford have been one of the most inconsistent teams in Ireland in any sport over the past 20 years so youâre not covering yourself in glory with these types of posts. Anyone can state the obvious.
Bar last year, every Wexford championship performance of the last decade has been remembered for the hammering they got on exiting the championship. Regardless of what happened previously to this, the hammering usually outweighs it. In 2003 we beat a decent Offaly team, a good Waterford team and drew with Cork. Put that against a Kilkenny hammering, barely beating Antrim, and a Cork hammering.
I usually try to block 2005 and 2006 from my memory as they were so dire. In 2007 we beat Tipp when no-one gave us a chance. We put it up to Kilkenny for a half last year which is something no other team did so thereâs small things to take encouragement from but overall its been fairly pitiful.
[quote=âKIB manâ]the replays against Cork and Tipp in those semi finals were hammerings.
One point wins over Offaly and Dublin dont hold much value.
Iâm struggling to think of the last really good Wexford performance in the Championship. When was the last league title or even league final appearance?[/quote]
Good one KIB Man. Youâre good at this alright. Canât even remember us beating Tipp in the Championship. Get out of it.
I can - exiting and all it was I dont think it was a good Tipp side. They were pretty awful actually. A decent side would have annihilated Tipp that day. Dont think the Wexford performance on the day was all that great.
When was the last time watching Wexford in a championship game that you thought they had the makings of a serious side or were on the verge of a breakthrough?
WTB, Clare won an All Ireland minor title in 1997 but not many graduated afaik. The cheap shot at Flannans is wrong imo. They have been succesful for years at schools level which suits big strong types as its played on heavy ground.
Inter county underage is a higher standard than schools but is also played on faster ground. Imo underage coaching in Clare focused on strength and fitness more than skills post 95 and that was the ultimate problem.
Not having a go at flannans the institution, rather the cohorts of âstarsâ who proclaimed their brilliance to all and sundry and amounted to fuck all once out of the underage ranks, or even while still in them in many cases.
2001 Iâd say. But it went to pot.
Flannanâs was half the reason that Clare underage hurling was shocking for the best part of this decadeâŚMyopic training, lads only used to winter hurling, Flannans got first dibs on players and it was march at the earliest before Flannanâs lads would fully commit to the county minor panelâŚ
No coincidence that since Flannans stopped the boarding the year before last that the Clare minors have been far more competative and the likes of St. Caiminâs of Shannon and Ard Scoil Ris of Limerick(backboned by Clare lads) are now coming to the fore in the harty cupâŚ
Flannanâs have probably ruined more hurlers than they have made in the last 10 years
[quote=âThe Pukeâ]Flannanâs was half the reason that Clare underage hurling was shocking for the best part of this decadeâŚMyopic training, lads only used to winter hurling, Flannans got first dibs on players and it was march at the earliest before Flannanâs lads would fully commit to the county minor panelâŚ
No coincidence that since Flannans stopped the boarding the year before last that the Clare minors have been far more competative and the likes of St. Caiminâs of Shannon and Ard Scoil Ris of Limerick(backboned by Clare lads) are now coming to the fore in the harty cupâŚ
Flannanâs have probably ruined more hurlers than they have made in the last 10 years[/quote]
Complete and utter bollox. They would have been better off going to the tech in Ennis I suppose.:rolleyes: There may have been an issue that clowns like Alan Dunne were more concerned with breaking hurls than teaching skills but Jamesie will see that wrong righted.
I would suggest part of the reason Clare have been awful at underage is that only one school in hurling and football competed at the A grade for years.
8 years ago. Its good that your seeing sense finally.:rolleyes:
Let me guess, KIB man went to Flannanâs and Puke didnât. Am I right?
[quote=âKIB manâ]Complete and utter bollox. They would have been better off going to the tech in Ennis I suppose.:rolleyes: There may have been an issue that clowns like Alan Dunne were more concerned with breaking hurls than teaching skills but Jamesie will see that wrong righted.
I would suggest part of the reason Clare have been awful at underage is that only one school in hurling and football competed at the A grade for years.[/quote]
I know plenty of lads that went to and hurled for Flannanâs and said if they had their time again they wouldnât go backâŚTony Griffin also said this in an interview a few years agoâŚ
Just take the likes of young James McInerney as an example, superb athlete, great reader of a game and has plenty of aggression but chances are he will always struggle t intercounty level due to the fact that his grip is terrible, should have been coached out of him but it wasnât and now he is sufferingâŚSame with a lot of the forwards that come out of there, trained for winter hurling nothing else, stand and compete for than ball rather than atacking itâŚ
You were the one going back 8 years ago sure talking about when we were beaten in the Semi.
I was talking about the last couple of years but (surprisingly 
) you disregarded it.
Good man KIB.
[quote=âThe Pukeâ]I know plenty of lads that went to and hurled for Flannanâs and said if they had their time again they wouldnât go backâŚTony Griffin also said this in an interview a few years agoâŚ
Just take the likes of young James McInerney as an example, superb athlete, great reader of a game and has plenty of aggression but chances are he will always struggle t intercounty level due to the fact that his grip is terrible, should have been coached out of him but it wasnât and now he is sufferingâŚSame with a lot of the forwards that come out of there, trained for winter hurling nothing else, stand and compete for than ball rather than atacking itâŚ[/quote]
they were still playing hurling though at the highest possible school level tho Puke. Agree about his grip but the responsibility of changing that was with his club back when he was 8 or 9. Not at 13 in secondary school. Yep Tony Griffin had some valid points but at the same time Flannans gave him the high profile games to show off his talent that he would never have gotten playing C for Ballyhea or Cahercon school.
No Bandy, me and Puke both went to Spike Island. Pukeâs roomate was Donal Og Cusack.
I went to the Cresent Comp in Limerick with the rest of the blue bloods :rolleyes:âŚ
We will agree to differ on this KIB, I hold no grudge to Flannanâs and love to see them do well but they did do a lot of damage to Clare underage hurling over the past 10 yearsâŚHopefully this has changed now since the borders are gone and lads wonât be as obsessed with the hurling up thereâŚ
[quote=âPikemanâ]You were the one going back 8 years ago sure talking about when we were beaten in the Semi.
I was talking about the last couple of years but (surprisingly :rolleyes: ) you disregarded it.
Good man KIB.[/quote]
There seems to be an opinion from certain Wexicans that bar KK that they are as good as the rest at the moment. You used the example of defeating Tipp a couple of years ago as proof. Kev tried to lay the blame at John Meylerâs door is some kind of peace pipe offering.
However you also reckoned 8 years ago was the last time that Wexford had the makings of a good team but went to pot. Strange
Actually what happened to that Rory Mallon lad or Eugene Furlong? Disappear off the face of the earth?
[quote=âKIB manâ]There seems to be an opinion from certain Wexicans that bar KK that they are as good as the rest at the moment. You used the example of defeating Tipp a couple of years ago as proof. Kev tried to lay the blame at John Meylerâs door is some kind of peace pipe offering.
However you also reckoned 8 years ago was the last time that Wexford had the makings of a good team but went to pot. Strange
Actually what happened to that Rory Mallon lad or Eugene Furlong? Disappear off the face of the earth?[/quote]
I dont think anyone on here has ever or would ever claim that, and you are misinterpreting what people are saying.
explaining how I think Wexford are at the moment, they are rebuilding, and on their day, can put it up to most if not all the top sides.
but there in lies the problem, it has to be on their day. Wexford are the most inconsistent side around, and could beat Kilkenny one day and lose to Antrim the next. I wouldnt consider Wexford amongst the top sides, but at the same time, who are the top sides now? I wouldnt fear any of them anyway.
[quote=âKIB manâ]There seems to be an opinion from certain Wexicans that bar KK that they are as good as the rest at the moment. You used the example of defeating Tipp a couple of years ago as proof. Kev tried to lay the blame at John Meylerâs door is some kind of peace pipe offering.
However you also reckoned 8 years ago was the last time that Wexford had the makings of a good team but went to pot. Strange
Actually what happened to that Rory Mallon lad or Eugene Furlong? Disappear off the face of the earth?[/quote]
FFS. Two different things KIB. You asked if we were a good as others apart from KK. I threw up the examples.
You also asked, ie a different question, when was the last time Wexford looked like contenders and making a possible breakthrough. I answered 2001.
Please read and donât have me go through it with you again.
Furlong wasnât good enough in the end I suppose.
Mallon went off to the US and came back a year or two after and that was that. His clubmate, Bandage would know better.
[quote=âGmanâ]I dont think anyone on here has ever or would ever claim that, and you are misinterpreting what people are saying.
explaining how I think Wexford are at the moment, they are rebuilding, and on their day, can put it up to most if not all the top sides.
but there in lies the problem, it has to be on their day. Wexford are the most inconsistent side around, and could beat Kilkenny one day and lose to Antrim the next. I wouldnt consider Wexford amongst the top sides, but at the same time, who are the top sides now? I wouldnt fear any of them anyway.[/quote]
If Wexford play lads like Willie Doran or Stephen Nolan this summer it will prove they arent rebuilding. At least put lads in with some bit of potential if rebuilding is the aim.
I reckon Wexford are a bit like Connacht in rugby. Generally shit but on their day can match one of the better sides. the main factor being the quality or lack of in their ranks. Sad to see actually.
[quote=âThe Pukeâ]I know plenty of lads that went to and hurled for Flannanâs and said if they had their time again they wouldnât go backâŚTony Griffin also said this in an interview a few years agoâŚ
Just take the likes of young James McInerney as an example, superb athlete, great reader of a game and has plenty of aggression but chances are he will always struggle t intercounty level due to the fact that his grip is terrible, should have been coached out of him but it wasnât and now he is sufferingâŚSame with a lot of the forwards that come out of there, trained for winter hurling nothing else, stand and compete for than ball rather than atacking itâŚ[/quote]
Well said puke, indicative of the major problems of Clare hurling really. Donât know if Flannans should ship the blame for all of it but we do seem to be always picking from strong physical forwards e.g. d mcmahon, carmody, f lynch, nuggie etc. with few examples of natural corner or wing forwards. Speed and agility seems to disappear in the gym somewhere.