Giro

Only found out that Giro was starting tomorrow when I read rock’s post. Sloppy of me not to know but was worse of rock not to give it its own thread. I watched a fair bit of the Giro last year and some of the mountain stages were excellent. I backed Ricco last year who did well but it looks as though he too was taking banned substances. Anyway preview below is from cyclingnews. Looks to have most of the big names racing this year.

The 91st Giro d’Italia, May 10 to June 1, may be loaded with time trials, but the mountains in the final week will surely prove to be the great decider. Some of the sports biggest names, like two-time winner Gilberto Simoni, defending champion Danilo Di Luca and Tour de France champion Alberto Contador, will battle for the leader’s maglia rosa over there weeks from Palermo to Milano.

On Saturday afternoon in Palermo, 198 riders will start the Italian Grand Tour organised by RCS Sport and by the time they reach Pesaro (Le Marche), the race will start to really heat up. There, the Corsa Rosa will present time trial number two out of four, a 39.4-kilometre individual race against the clock, with the third coming in the form of an uphill time trial (stage 16) and the fourth on the final day into Milano (stage 21).

Looming on the horizon are the Dolomites and Alps with their numerous painful ascensions, such as the Alpe di Pampeago, Passo Fedaia, Passo Gavia and Passo del Mortirolo.

Gilberto Simoni made a strong move over the winter by signing with Savio’s Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli squad
An always-frank Gilberto Simoni was quick to point out the impressive parcours. “Passo di San Bernardino, wow! Mortirolo! Aprica, Tirano… damn!” remarked the winner in 2001 and 2003. “There are a lot of people that don’t think of the start, but it is there that some differences can be made, too. This Giro opens the door to a lot of riders, but then in the third week it will be very hard.”

One such day is stage 14 which rides over the Passo Manghen and has a finale up the 7.65-kilometre Alpe di Pampeago. Simoni stated his desire to win this stage as he did in 2003, and the 36 year-old Italian from Trento could use it as a springboard to conquer the Giro d’Italia for a third time.

‘Il Cobra’ Riccardo Ricc will have sole leadership i
Over the winter, he made a bold move by signing with Giovanni Savio’s Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli squad. The experienced team manager built a team around Simoni, one which will be dedicated to the cause.

Last year, Simoni nurtured Riccardo Ricc while the two were riding for Saunier Duval but this year the young Italian from Formigine will be the team’s sole leader. In 2007 he demonstrated his power by winning the Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage. However fumbling an attack to Montevergine di Mercogliano and his unpopularity with the escape in stage eight to Fiorano Modenese has shown signs of inexperience. Given his crash in Tirreno-Adriatico and bad experiences in the Ardennes Classics, Ricc may need to wait until 2009 to win his home tour.

The winner of the 2007 Giro d’Italia, Danilo Di Luca, has been through hell and high waters to be ready for 2008’s race. The 32 year-old Italian from Abruzzo the first southerner to win the Giro was faced with two doping investigations over the winter and scored 1-0. One win for fending off the Italian Olympic Committee’s (CONI) allegations of plasma injections following the 2007 stage to Monte Zoncolan and one loss for the three-month suspension he was forced to serve for his relations to Oil for Drugs and Doctor Carlo Santuccione.

‘The Killer’ as Di Luca is known must be thinking “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” and the off-season events might just give him the fuel to score the back to back win, not seen since Miguel Indurain’s second win in 1993. What’s more, he has changed teams from Liquigas to LPR Brakes, which proved to be a good move with dedicated domestiques, who include two-time Giro d’Italia champion Paolo Savoldelli, Daniele Pietropolli, Gabriele Bosisio, Paolo Bailetti and Alessandro Spezialetti.

Di Luca’s former team, Liquigas, will have to feel its way out in the Giro without a clear three-week contender to lead the way. Number one on the list for the acid green-coloured Italian team is Franco Pellizotti. The curly haired 30 year-old finished ninth last year while helping his leader win the race and showed well this year in the Giro del Trentino when he assisted his team-mate, Vincenzo Nibali, on to the overall win.

Pellizotti’s intentions are clear, “I will aim for the overall jersey.” With that aim in mind, the ‘Delfino di Bibione’ has specifically worked on his time trailing skills. Another factor for the ‘dauphine’ is that Ivan Basso joins the team at the end of the year - therefore it is now or never if he wants to put his foot down as a GC captain for the Grand Tours.

An eye should be kept on Liquigas’ young Siciliano, Vincenzo Nibali. He won the Giro del Trentino and finished tenth in the Lige-Bastogne-Lige not bad for a 23 year-old.

Astana’s last-minute invite by RCS Sport has one-upped the Giro d’Italia over its bigger brother, the Tour de France. The Luxembourg-based team piloted by Johan Bruyneel team will likely be led by Spaniard Alberto Contador. The 2007 Tour de France champion will come to the race full of piss and vinegar thanks to the non-invite to the Tour and with form, on stunning display in the Pas Vasco.

Contador will be backed by strong domestiques, in the shape of USA’s Levi Leipheimer and Germany’s Andreas Klden, who just came back victorious from the Tour de Romandie.

Other favourites include Russia’s Denis Menchov (Rabobank) and Vladimir Karpets (Caisse d’Epargne); the former won the Vuelta a Espaa and finished sixth in the 2006 Tour de France, while both have won the best young riders’ classification in the French Grand Tour (2003 and 2004, respectively).

Another rider with Tour pedigree is Colombia’s Mauricio Soler (Barloworld). Surely winning the mountains jersey in France is a marker for greatness on the gruelling ascents through the Dolomites and Alps that highlight the final week of the Giro.

Three others to watch are Italians Marzio Bruseghin (Lampre) and Emanuele Sella (CSF Group Navigare) and Russian Evgeni Petrov (Tinkoff Credit Systems).

The opening day, like last year, will come in the form of a team time trial. All teams will want to do well in Palermo for a chance at grabbing the leader’s maglia rosa, but one team has been training particularly hard for the event, USA’s Slipstream Chipotle - H30. The argyle-kitted team has been preparing over the last week at its European base in Gerona to have a chance of grabbing the pink top. With riders like David Millar, David Zabriskie and Christian Vande Velde, the attention and expectations will be heavy upon the team run by Jonathan Vaughters.

The Giro d’Italia always leaves memories of mountain struggles, but don’t forget the sprinters. This year there will be fewer opportunities for the fast men stages Milazzo (stage three), Catanzaro (four), San Vincenzo (nine), Carpi (12), Cittadella (13) and Locarno (18) look the best but expect fierce battles on those closing kilometres that are dodgy at best. Look out for Robbie McEwen (Predictor-Lotto), Daniele Bennati (Liquigas), Robert Frster (Gerolsteiner), Erik Zabel (Team Milram), Danilo Napolitano (Lampre), Graeme Brown (Rabobank), Alexandre Usov (AG2R La Mondiale), Mark Cavendish (High Road) and Magnus Backstedt (Slipstream Chipotle - H30), as Italy’s super-sprinter Alessandro Petacchi (Team Milram) has to skip the race because of a flu.

Only put it in the other thread because I merged last year’s Tour and Giro threads together because they were hard to follow - they got a bit messed around when we moved forum software at Christmas.

Anyway that’s a decent preview. Any odds available anywhere Larry? Are the Schleck brothers going?

Don’t think Ricco will win this year, don’t see Di Luca retaining either. Hard to look beyond Contador. That’s a farily awesome team he’s riding for (though obviously highly, highly dubious) and as they’re not taking part in Le Tour this will be their main event.

Doesn’t look as though Schleck brothers are competing. Eurosport coverage seems decent this year though much of the final week is on Eurosport 2 which I don’t have. I don’t think Contador will win myself. As can be usual with a grand tour I have several riders who I really hope don’t win. In particular I hope Leipheimer doesn’t figure. Odds below are from Skybet. Paddy are giving odds also but their odds were too difficult to copy and paste.
Kloden, A 3/1 Pellizotti, F 28/1 Gusev, V 100/1
Contador, A 7/2 Karpets, V 33/1 Pinotti, M 100/1
Di Luca, D 15/2 Valjavec, T 40/1 Rebellin, D 100/1
Leipheimer, L 8/1 Szmyd, S 50/1 Rodriguez, J 100/1
Soler, M 10/1 Larsson, G 50/1 Ardila, M 100/1
Simoni, G 10/1 Garate, JM 50/1 VandeVelde, C 100/1
Menchov, D 11/1 Bruseghin, M 50/1 Astarloa, I 100/1
Piepoli, L 16/1 Zabriskie, D 50/1 Vam Huffel, W 150/1
Ricco, R 16/1 Sella, E 50/1 Voigt, J 200/1
Nibali, V 16/1 Arroyo, D 50/1 Millar, D 250/1
Savoldelli, P 28/1 Petrov, E 50/1 Bettini, P 250/1
Rujano, J 28/1 Anker Sorensen, C 66/1 Verbrugghe, R 500/1

Surprised Kloden is favourite as he’s second fiddle to Contador. Wasn’t that impressed with Contador when he won Le Tour either. He did it without having to attack at all because everyone was watching Rasmussen and nobody cared who came second. That said I don’t think Kloden is consistent enough over 3 weeks to win a tour and he’s too passive everytime I see him.

Have to read up a bit on form for the Basque Country tour and the classics before making my mind up.

Doing a small bit of reading up on this at the moment. Despite all my hopes to the contrary it’s really hard to see Astana riders being beaten. Kloeden is in smashing form, Contador is class (if a prick) and Leipheimer is always strong. Contador isn’t at full fitness because they didn’t know they were getting invited to the Giro until recently but with that trio they should be able to fend off all the smaller squads.

Of the others:

Di Luca is in a worse team this year thanks to the controversies of last season. He has Salvodelli with him but Astana are far, far stronger.

Ricco should be better now that he’s out on his own. Looks good and maybe a bit of value at 16/1

Menchov was very impressive in Le Tour last year when riding for Rasmussen. But unlike Astana and the Italian guys, this is not his priority so not sure how much he’ll be killing himself with Le Tour around the corner.

Reckon Simoni is too odld at this stage. Soler is a decent climber but I’d expect him more to win KOTM then to win overall.

So having an outside interest in Ricco just to have a bit of monetary enthusiasm but hard to think the Astana lads will be beaten.

[quote=“therock67”]Doing a small bit of reading up on this at the moment. Despite all my hopes to the contrary it’s really hard to see Astana riders being beaten. Kloeden is in smashing form, Contador is class (if a prick) and Leipheimer is always strong. Contador isn’t at full fitness because they didn’t know they were getting invited to the Giro until recently but with that trio they should be able to fend off all the smaller squads.

Of the others:

Di Luca is in a worse team this year thanks to the controversies of last season. He has Salvodelli with him but Astana are far, far stronger.

Ricco should be better now that he’s out on his own. Looks good and maybe a bit of value at 16/1

Menchov was very impressive in Le Tour last year when riding for Rasmussen. But unlike Astana and the Italian guys, this is not his priority so not sure how much he’ll be killing himself with Le Tour around the corner.

Reckon Simoni is too odld at this stage. Soler is a decent climber but I’d expect him more to win KOTM then to win overall.

So having an outside interest in Ricco just to have a bit of monetary enthusiasm but hard to think the Astana lads will be beaten.[/quote]

I don’t share your view that Astana will be all conquering. I have a bit of a theory about them and the Giro. If as is believed they only knew they were competing a couple of weeks ago, this will have effected their doping schedule and not allowed them to be as prepared as they ought to be (how ridiculous does that sound). It is clear that they are a highly suspect team and if they were to be one step ahead of the field in terms of doping (which is probably what Brunyell has mean so good at over the years) they would needed to have had a programme up and running months ago I suspect. Not sure Contador is as talented as people make out. Menchov is decent value. He won the Vuelta quite easily last year and rode well for Rasmussen in Le Tour from what I can remember. Di Luca was all conquering in the Giro last year. Wouldn’t pay that much significance to his change of team as he got hardly any help last year. I suppose the Team Time Trial this year though could be all too important. Ricco looked promising last year though the time trials this year won’t help his cause. All in all too hard to make my mind up and am going to wait a while before putting anything on.

All the doping is done in winter training camps Larry. It’s all long done by now. They’re in great form as a team in the secondary tours so far this season and they have a very strong squad at the Giro. When was the last time the reigning TDF champion entered the race?

Menchov is very strong alright - just think with Le Tour around the corner and with it being an open race he’ll be saving himself a bit.

[quote=“therock67”]All the doping is done in winter training camps Larry. It’s all long done by now. They’re in great form as a team in the secondary tours so far this season and they have a very strong squad at the Giro. When was the last time the reigning TDF champion entered the race?

Menchov is very strong alright - just think with Le Tour around the corner and with it being an open race he’ll be saving himself a bit.[/quote]

Yeah fair point on the doping though I wonder if they had been geared to peak later in the season. More I think about it though sillier my point is. Astana were not all conquering in the Team Time Trial today though which is encouraging.
Pantani competed as defending champion in the 1999 race after also winning the tour in 1998. He was leading up until stage 21 and was then disqualified for a high level of hemocrit.

Ricco won yesterday’s stage - not by a huge margin but at least he’s showing a touch of form.

Cavendish won the stage today. Signififcant win for Ricco the other day though doesn’t appear to have been a majorly tough climb. Did you get to see any of it?

Giro d’Italia - Ricco wins, Pellizotti in pink

Eurosport - Sun, 11 May 19:25:00 2008

Italy’s Riccardo Ricco stormed to victory in the 207-km trans-Sicilian stage two of the Giro d’Italia.
CYCLING 2007 Giro d’Italia Saunier Duval Ricco - 0

The 25-year-old Saunier Duval rider broke clear of compatriots Danilo Di Luca and David Rebellin on the uphill finish at Agrigento after a wretched day for the American team Slipstream.

Slipstream, who had won Saturday’s opening team time-trial in defiant fashion, finished the stage without their influential rider David Zabriskie, while Christian Vandevelde, the first American to lead the Giro since Andy Hampsten in 1988, lost the maglia rosa to Franco Pellizotti of Italy.

Zabriskie fell heavily in a crash 52 kilometres from the end of the undulating stage after a number of riders - including Tour de France champion Alberto Contador (Astana) - touched wheels with the gruppo in hot pursuit of two breakaway riders.

The American, who this year was sporting an uncharacteristic moustache, was taken to the hospital with what looked like a shoulder injury.

To make matters worse, Slipstream, despite indefatigable work by Swede Magnus Backstedt, lost their grip on the pink jersey after Liquigas’s Pellizotti picked up vital bonus seconds for finishing the stage fourth.

Pellizotti now leads the race by a single second ahead of Monday’s 221-km stage from Catania to Milazzo. Denmark’s Chris Sorensen of CSC is third overall at seven seconds.

“Wearing the pink jersey means a lot to me because I’ve dreamed about it as a boy but my big goal is to win the Giro and wear the pink jersey in Milan on the last day,” Pellizotti said.

Ricco’s victory came after it looked all but certain to go to Joaquim Rodriquez of Caisse d’Epargne. The Spaniard broke clear of the leading group on the final ascent of the world championships course at Agrigento, only to be swept up by a select chasing group with just metres to spare.

The youthful exuberance of Ricco proved too strong for reigning champion Di Luca (LPR Brakes) and Gerolsteiner’s Rebellin, with Pellizotto taking fourth and Paolo Savoldelli (LPR) fifth.

It was Ricco’s second stage win in the three-week race, his first coming last year at Trois Cimes de Lavaredo on his way to finishing sixth overall.

Ricco has not disguised his intent to win the 2008 Giro and today’s victory over Di Luca, Rebellin et al will throw down the gauntlet to his rivals.

“I felt good on the climb to the finish and so went for it,” Ricco said.

“This win is a clear sign that my form is good. I suffered on the climb up to the finish but I think the riders behind me suffered even more. In cycling you have to win whenever you get the chance.”

“Beating riders like Danilo Di Luca and Davide Rebellin is a good sign for later in the race. I’m only at 90% because I want to be at my best for the decisive final week in the mountains. My goal is to win the Giro.”

CSF’s Emanuele Sella secured the green mountains jersey after securing maximum points in the stage’s early second category climb, 25-km from the start.

Two riders - Switzerland’s David Loosli (Lampre) and France’s Jeremy Roy (Francaise des Jeux) - managed to break clear following the climb, building up a lead of 10 minutes before being caught by the pack moments after Zabriskie’s unfortunate fall.

First real uphill finish of the Giro today. Only caught the last fifteen minutes or so but it revealed a fair bit. One of Di Luca’s teammates won the stage but most of the important action was behind him. Ricco, Di Luca, Contador and Pipeoli all finished in a group ahead of Kloden, Simoni Menchov et al. Di Luca really went to put in time between himself and the rest. In the closing stages he finished with a burst and Ricco could stick with him but Contador and Pipeoli couldn’t. Going to look at betting markets later.

Good stuff. Glad to see the Astana leaders suffering. Any word on Deignan?

Not heard Deignan mentioned no. Latest odds from betfair below. Very hard to pick a winner. I think Ricco has another couple of stage wins in him and looks very strong but would worry about him in time trials. Think Leipheimer may have suffered today and may not even have been in the 20 strong Kloden, Simoni, Menchov group. Stage highlights on Eurosport tonight at ten.
Alberto Contador 11/5 Betfair
Riccardo Ricco 31/10 Betfair
Danilo Di Luca 21/5 Betfair
Andreas Kloden 47/10 Betfair
Levi Leipheimer 8 Betfair

I think he got sent off in the wrong for 2 yellows against Galway in the FBD League. The suspension was subsequently overturned though. Then he broke his leg or jaw or something against Down in the League but was passed fit for the game in New York last Sunday. I don’t know if he started but the lads on the Leitrim thread will know.

what the fuck are you ranting and raving about…

Michael Duignan - Leitrim senior footballer. Though I’ve no idea why rocko and larry are discussing him in a cycling thread. Sloppy spelling (‘Deignan’) by rock too.

ah i see says the blind man…

Millar was on a break earlier in the week and he then had a problem with his bike. His frustration is below
YouTube - How to get rid of your bike!

Below is from cyclingnews. Ricico’s comments made me wonder about the truth of this story that Astana only found out relatively recently that they were riding in the Giro. It smacks of a stroy that Bruynell would have used for Armstrong. He always built up this idea that everything was against him. One example of this was when Armstrong claimed that he wasn’t sure if Ullrich had waited for him after his fall in 2003 when he clearly did. To sum it up I don’t believe Contador is as unprepared for the race as he is making out.

Riccardo Ricc (Saunier Duval-Scott) noted at the start of the stage this morning, “I think that someone is at the beach, I was at the beach for ten minutes,” he laughed. He was referring to his post-stage comments on Alberto Contador (Astana) yesterday.

He said after the stage, “I am not upset, but Contador was crafty. Was he at the beach before coming her to the Giro? Yes, the Madrid beach! You are not able to go so strong with such short number of days of training.” It was unclear if Ricc was making an Operacin Puerto reference, but surely the comments gained him yet another enemy in the peloton.

This morning he continued, trying to ease the strong words, “If he is at the sea… I don’t know.” Wiser and older Leonardo Piepoli was at Ricc’s side, looking rather nervous with the comments.

Ricco looked very strong again today to take the stage victory. I backed him this morning at just over 5/1. Don’t know what happened to Di Luca. He looked to have been dropped and then fought his way back to almost take the stage. Astana tried to dominate this stage and failed imo. Encouraging. Ricco’s big tests will now come in the bigger mountains where he needs to gain time as he won’t be strong in time trials.