[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067073, member: 2272”]In my experience once kids arrive a large number would give it up to mind kids. Almost all will take a step back from their career.
Maternal instinct tends to triumph over career if home finances allow it. Women are much less defined than their job title than men.
Generalisation based on my experience and my industry.[/QUOTE]
That’s bordering on the sexist there. ‘Maternal instinct’ - what about ‘paternal instinct?’
In my experience, most women want to continue their career following giving birth to a kid. And why wouldn’t they? It has taken them years in many cases to build up a career so why should they throw it away? If there is a compromise to be found in terms of seeing their kids on a plentiful basis why shouldn’t they?
Now I am not for one minute calling into question why a woman may want to give up her job. That is her decision ultimately. But what I don’t like are people coming along casting judgements on what ‘should be done’ and how ‘Ireland has lost its way’ from the heighty position of being in one’s 30s.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067073, member: 2272”]In my experience once kids arrive a large number would give it up to mind kids. Almost all will take a step back from their career.
Maternal instinct tends to triumph over career if home finances allow it. Women are much less defined than their job title than men.
Generalisation based on my experience and my industry.[/QUOTE]
Thats basically it, its not sexist and not ALL women are that way, but in general thats not far from the truth. Which i think many of them are fighting against the machine due to other pressures like i describe in terms of keeping up. However, sadly, i have to admit i have heard men talk in similar ways. Now maybe thats the talk of their spouse/partner or whatever, but its not soley women in my experience.
The 80s were pretty shit, truth told.
High unemployment, shit public services, shit infrastructure, industrial unrest.
As kids we knew no better.
Would I like my kids to have the same standard of living? No.
Should I apologise for ensuring that my kids will have a better standard of living? No.
I yearn for the days when I can queue again for free canned intervention beef.
[QUOTE=“farmerinthecity, post: 1067082, member: 24”]That’s bordering on the sexist there. ‘Maternal instinct’ - what about ‘paternal instinct?’
In my experience, most women want to continue their career following giving birth to a kid. And why wouldn’t they? It has taken them years in many cases to build up a career so why should they throw it away? If there is a compromise to be found in terms of seeing their kids on a plentiful basis why shouldn’t they?
Now I am not for one minute calling into question why a woman may want to give up her job. That is her decision ultimately. But what I don’t like are people coming along casting judgements on what ‘should be done’ and how ‘Ireland has lost its way’ from the heighty position of being in one’s 30s.[/QUOTE]
Gender snob
[QUOTE=“farmerinthecity, post: 1067082, member: 24”]That’s bordering on the sexist there. ‘Maternal instinct’ - what about ‘paternal instinct?’
In my experience, most women want to continue their career following giving birth to a kid. And why wouldn’t they? It has taken them years in many cases to build up a career so why should they throw it away? If there is a compromise to be found in terms of seeing their kids on a plentiful basis why shouldn’t they?
Now I am not for one minute calling into question why a woman may want to give up her job. That is her decision ultimately. But what I don’t like are people coming along casting judgements on what ‘should be done’ and how ‘Ireland has lost its way’ from the heighty position of being in one’s 30s.[/QUOTE]
Thats all because of your working environment Farmer. In my experience many of the women in your line of work are extremely career driven.
You say that as if there is something wrong with it. What gives you the right to say that? What about the sense of self esteem which having a career gives you?
Well you are wrong, i just stated it as more of a matter of a fact. I have met many women over the years who have told me they don’t want any kids some for career reasons, some just don’t like them, some don’t want to fuck up their bodies. I have no problem with any of that, i would be a ridiculous hypocrite if i did. Most of those now have kids. My own theory is most just hit a natural maternal level, i know one who just had kids for the man she was in love with, no other reason, and i also believe some felt they “had to”. Now some of these came from your line of work or the legal trade. They were definitely career driven, some are again now, others have changed.
I was just saying you, like most of the lads here, look thru the prism of their own little world. Its completely reasonable for you to meet quite a few women like you describe, however you shouldn’t use it as an over barometer IMO.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1067098, member: 273”]Well you are wrong, i just stated it as more of a matter of a fact. I have met many women over the years who have told me they don’t want any kids some for career reasons, some just don’t like them, some don’t want to fuck up their bodies. I have no problem with any of that, i would be a ridiculous hypocrite if i did. Most of those now have kids. My own theory is most just hit a natural maternal level, i know one who just had kids for the man she was in love with, no other reason, and i also believe some felt they “had to”. Now some of these came from your line of work or the legal trade. They were definitely career driven, some are again now, others have changed.
I was just saying you, like most of the lads here, look thru the prism of their own little world. Its completely reasonable for you to meet quite a few women like you describe, however you shouldn’t use it as an over barometer IMO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1067098, member: 273”]Well you are wrong, i just stated it as more of a matter of a fact. I have met many women over the years who have told me they don’t want any kids some for career reasons, some just don’t like them, some don’t want to fuck up their bodies. I have no problem with any of that, i would be a ridiculous hypocrite if i did. Most of those now have kids. My own theory is most just hit a natural maternal level, i know one who just had kids for the man she was in love with, no other reason, and i also believe some felt they “had to”. Now some of these came from your line of work or the legal trade. They were definitely career driven, some are again now, others have changed.
I was just saying you, like most of the lads here, look thru the prism of their own little world. Its completely reasonable for you to meet quite a few women like you describe, however you shouldn’t use it as an over barometer IMO.[/QUOTE]
How did you end up asking these women if they wanted kids?
