[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066150, member: 273”]Fucking au pairs, no wonder kids are fucked with some stranger bring them up.
Kids need their parents. One of them should not work or at least very little. You don’t need as much money as you think you do, and your kids are more important than that.
What the fuck is wrong with people?[/QUOTE]
@glasagusban the bolded bit above was what I originally took issue with. Kev then further clarified his comments and took a few pot shots at me along the way. I removed my evil persona from most of the conversation as I didn’t have the time and everyone broadly appears to be agreeing on the same thing but in true TFK fashion no-one will admit to it.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067040, member: 2272”]In those times families lived in same town/area/house so child-minding cross generational - to an extent if you are from Dublin this is probably still the case at least for child number 1.
the move to dual income families was really driven by the move to individualisation of tax credits which was introduced during Celtic Tiger at time of full employment to make women work outside the home - it was a stick rather than the carrot of subsidised childcare. A married couple with one earner moves to higher rate of tax around 40k whereas it is 60k or so for a married couple with two earners
Two income families drove up property prices and so on.
I am not judgmental about it but if you removed individualisation of tax rates and restored system where married couples could fully share tax credits then you would, in my opinion, see way fewer women working.[/QUOTE]
Nah, the move to dual income families was driven by the removal of the ban on married women in the public service and semi-state companies. Employment rate for women went up about 10% a decade since that happened in the 70s and then stalled when the economy collapsed.
Plenty ??.. we all know what happened in most of them - absolutely nothing !!..you’ve always a few bad apples in everything FFS … just to clarify - are you seriously suggesting Infant mortality was down to things like lack of food and central heating ??..would you think advancements in medical science and medical practices might play the biggest part??..
A rich man takes a vacation to a tropical beach. He has worked hard all his life and has decided to enjoy the fruits of his labour. He is excited about visiting the island because he’s heard that there is incredible fishing there. He loved fishing as a young boy, but hasn’t gone in years because he has been busy working to save for his retirement.
On the first day he has his breakfast and heads to the beach. It’s around 9:30 am. There he spots a fisherman coming in with a large bucket full of fish.
“How long did you fish for?” he asks. The fisherman looks at the man and explains that he fishes for about three hours a day. The man then asks him why he returned so quickly.
“Don’t worry”, says the fisherman, “there’s still plenty of fish out there.”
Dumbfounded, the rich man asks the fisherman why he didn’t continue catching fish. The fisherman patiently explains that he caught all he needs.
“I’ll spend the rest of the day playing with my children, and talking with my friends. After that I’ll relax on the beach.”
The rich man sees an opportunity to teach the peasant fisherman something about progress.
He explains to him that he should stay out all day and catch as many fish as he could. That would enable him to save up the extra money he makes and buy even bigger boats to catch even more fish.
“You keep reinvesting your profits in even more boats and hire other fisherman to work for you. If you work really hard, in 20 or 30 years you’ll be very rich.” The man feels pleased that he’s helped teach the simple fisher how to become rich.
Then the fisherman looks at the rich man with a puzzled look on his face and asks what he is to do after he becomes rich.
The rich man responds quickly “Oh! Well, then you can play with your children, talk with friends, and relax on the beach. And do a little fishing.”
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1067040, member: 2272”]In those times families lived in same town/area/house so child-minding cross generational - to an extent if you are from Dublin this is probably still the case at least for child number 1.
the move to dual income families was really driven by the move to individualisation of tax credits which was introduced during Celtic Tiger at time of full employment to make women work outside the home - it was a stick rather than the carrot of subsidised childcare. A married couple with one earner moves to higher rate of tax around 40k whereas it is 60k or so for a married couple with two earners
Two income families drove up property prices and so on.
I am not judgmental about it but if you removed individualisation of tax rates and restored system where married couples could fully share tax credits then you would, in my opinion, see way fewer women working.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn’t dawn on you that females didn’t want to give up their careers to stay at home.
[QUOTE=“Fran, post: 1067063, member: 110”]Just as I was about to back you in your most recent spat with @The Selfish Giant you go and insult me like this.
I don’t know why I bother with you sometimes[/QUOTE]
Fran as the foremost upstanding gentleman of this site, could you please give me a quick synopsis on the difference between Horsebox and carryharry please pal…I keep getting them mixed up…one of them is an awful good lad to be onside with as he rates every post…
I’m saying child poverty was obviously a factor in the mortality rate. There is an obvious conclusive link between the two. We had the worst child poverty rates in Europe in the 1980s and 1990s. And even if that somehow miraculously didn’t contribute to our higher mortality rate, it hardly made for more enjoyable childhoods.
[QUOTE=“farmerinthecity, post: 1067067, member: 24”]It wouldn’t dawn on you that females didn’t want to give up their careers to stay at home.
How dare they![/QUOTE]
In my experience once kids arrive a large number would give it up to mind kids. Almost all will take a step back from their career.
Maternal instinct tends to triumph over career if home finances allow it. Women are much less defined than their job title than men.
Generalisation based on my experience and my industry.
