Neilstown is a kip though Dan
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066179, member: 273”]What I realise is mothers and fathers for years did a great job with bigger families and less resources with mostly the man only working.
All the money people waste on these things cost nearly the bones of an average salary from what I can see. But when you weigh up the benefits of not working or working very little against the few grand you might be left over a year there just simply doesn’t seem to be a case to be logically made for two full time parents working. The time and energy saved and the benefits for the kids is very hard to calculate.
I realise some people can mix and match when they are self employed and it allows joint parenting with both people more or less working. However this rarely needs any more than the odd couple of hours help from a grand parent or something. And is completely different to two people out working till 6 every day and coming home for 30-60 mins with the kids and no energy to do anything for themselves.
I listen to people all the time talking about wanting a bigger house or trading up blaa blaa blaa and killing themselves working for it while they have a grand house and the au pair brings up the one or two kids. It’s blinding stupidity.
People have completely lost the point of life. I thought the recession might have sorted us out a bit but I’m disappointed to see it hasn’t that much at all. We’re still all about keeping up with the jones.[/QUOTE]
Kids develop at a massive rate in a crèche as well Kev. Great for socialisation and making them more independant. It’s so serious cost but worth it to at least put the kids in for a few days a week at least.
Heart of SCD Mac. Slightly misled you in that we only use it 16 days per month. For full 5 days it’s 1150 pm
Fucking hell, mac that’s outrageous. A couple would have to be clearing 8k per month to justify paying that.
[QUOTE=“dancarter, post: 1066211, member: 122”]
Heart of SCD Mac. Slightly misled you in that we only use it 16 days per month. For full 5 days it’s 1150 pm[/QUOTE]
I’m going by what others in work tell me. Maybe that’s just an isolated example and the true figures are closer to Dan’s example. Its essentially a 2nd mortgage whatever way you look at it. And the quality of life of having a kid raised by parents is worth much more.
Kev’s comments irked me though. Full of spoofing and bluster as always.
I realise that Dan, and I realise the world has changed. But how did that socialization come in the past? Their mothers brought them to other kids, cousins, neighbors etc.
I don’t have a problem with crèche, and 1-2 mornings a week may gie the parent at home the chance to get other stuff done or a break and that makes sense. It’s the whole package I’m seeing and people describe here that is a bit mad. My argument is completely based on the amount of time a parent spends with the kid.
It’s basically middle class people acting like the upper class of days gone by.
[QUOTE=“Mac, post: 1066215, member: 109”]I’m going by what others in work tell me. Maybe that’s just an isolated example and the true figures are closer to Dan’s example. Its essentially a 2nd mortgage whatever way you look at it. And the quality of life of having a kid raised by parents is worth much more.
Kev’s comments irked me though. Full of spoofing and bluster as always.[/QUOTE]
Yeah we priced a good few places and 1300 was highest we came across. Still ridiculous as you said. But tbh I’m not convinced having a kid at home full time with parents is the best for them either. Ideally we would let her in crèche 3 days and home 4 just not an option at the minute but I think that’s a good mix
[QUOTE=“Mac, post: 1066215, member: 109”]I’m going by what others in work tell me. Maybe that’s just an isolated example and the true figures are closer to Dan’s example. Its essentially a 2nd mortgage whatever way you look at it. And the quality of life of having a kid raised by parents is worth much more.
Kev’s comments irked me though. Full of spoofing and bluster as always.[/QUOTE]
Full of nothing only experiences an listening. You are only irked because it questions what you or maybe your parents did themselves. That’s all it’s doing.
And the hypociosy of you when in the past you made uninformed comments about all adopted people and brushed us all off with the same brush.
You can give it but you can’t take it. And I wasn’t even talking to you.
Gobshite.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066216, member: 273”]I realise that Dan, and I realise the world has changed. But how did that socialization come in the past? Their mothers brought them to other kids, cousins, neighbors etc.
I don’t have a problem with crèche, and 1-2 mornings a week may gie the parent at home the chance to get other stuff done or a break and that makes sense. It’s the whole package I’m seeing and people describe here that is a bit mad. My argument is completely based on the amount of time a parent spends with the kid.
It’s basically middle class people acting like the upper class of days gone by.[/QUOTE]
That’s just the way the world is gone though. Women not content to stay at home full time now. Agree about socialisation in the past but so many kids in crèche now you’d struggle to find kids to knock around with during the day.
Bottom line is after the crèche is paid it’s still worth a couple of grand a month for my missus to work and with cost of living in Dublin that can’t be ignored.
[QUOTE=“dancarter, post: 1066221, member: 122”]That’s just the way the world is gone though. Women not content to stay at home full time now. Agree about socialisation in the past but so many kids in crèche now you’d struggle to find kids to knock around with during the day.
Bottom line is after the crèche is paid it’s still worth a couple of grand a month for my missus to work and with cost of living in Dublin that can’t be ignored.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. We’ll never agree on it, agree to disagree.
I believe there are ways aroun it.
I also believe this is the sort of thing though that people should be in the streets for.
In Sweden and other places the amount of time off allowed to parents is phenomenal and the government backs it all the way. We have our oil and gas to the Scandinavians to help them do it. And people still vote these muppets in.
depends on the child and parents…my kid is nearly 2 and I’m delighted she has never set foot in a crèche…her mother has gone part time instead because she wants to be around her as much as possible for these years… each to their own but i do think a lot comes down to the Child’s temperament…unless they are really shy and needy it all evens out come school days either way…
There is also no doubt that iv convinced myself the crèche is a good option and you convinced yourself it’s not! Human nature I suppose
If we had grandparents close by would be an option but not the case unfortunately
[QUOTE=“dancarter, post: 1066236, member: 122”]There is also no doubt that iv convinced myself the crèche is a good option and you convinced yourself it’s not! Human nature I suppose
If we had grandparents close by would be an option but not the case unfortunately[/QUOTE]
that’s exactly it…sometimes your circumstances dictate…like i said i really think things level out by school …
It’s amazing how fast Mac and Tassotti scurry away when are questioning comes.
Very weak characters. I feel sorry for the kids.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066244, member: 273”]It’s amazing how fast Mac and Tassotti scurry away when are questioning comes.
Very weak characters. I feel sorry for the kids.[/QUOTE]
Ah well, at least their kids know their father, can’t hurt.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066244, member: 273”]It’s amazing how fast Mac and Tassotti scurry away when are questioning comes.
Very weak characters. I feel sorry for the kids.[/QUOTE]
I ‘scurried’ away to feed and dress my son. You idiot.
You mug. That’s what an au pair is for.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066219, member: 273”]Full of nothing only experiences an listening. You are only irked because it questions what you or maybe your parents did themselves. That’s all it’s doing.
And the hypociosy of you when in the past you made uninformed comments about all adopted people and brushed us all off with the same brush.
You can give it but you can’t take it. And I wasn’t even talking to you.
Gobshite.[/QUOTE]
What uninformed comments did I tar all adopted people with? I used the experience of a few adopted people I know to ask if you thought your constant anger issues were down to being adopted.
That’s not what you did at all you sneaky scumbag.
I suppose you’re banging the au pair as well? Cos you are a bit of a cliche.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1066253, member: 273”]That’s not what you did at all you sneaky scumbag.
I suppose you’re banging the au pair as well? Cos you are a bit of a cliche.[/QUOTE]
What did I say? What au pair are you talking about you delusional fuckwit?