Incorrect. Off the top of my head Wexford won the All Ireland Finals of 1968 & 1996 on 1 September. Those two years had five Sundays in September. Thereās any number of other examples. Limerick won the 1940 All Ireland on 1 September 1940.
The simple facts are that the date of the All Ireland Hurling Final was fixed for the first Sunday in September in 1929. I stand corrected on this, but I think there were only two instances of the hurling final not been played on the first Sunday in September every year between 1929 and 1996. In 1941 when Cork won the All Ireland, but later lost a Munster final to Tipperary from the championship earlier in the year because of an outbreak of foot & mouth, the championship was delayed by a few weeks. Then in 1956 when Wexford beat Cork, there was an outbreak of polio or TB or one of those 1950 epidemics and it wasnāt played until late September.
After the introduction of the back door system in 1997, with the extra games in the calendar, for a period of 5 years it was switched to second Sunday in September. This was met with a lot of opposition from overseas and it was switched back to the first Sunday in September in 2006. It was played on its traditional date of the first Sunday in September until 2011 and in 2012 the GAA agreed with the organisers of the American Football game to move it back a week.
[QUOTE=āManuel Zelaya, post: 1005823, member: 377ā]Incorrect. Off the top of my head Wexford won the All Ireland Finals of 1968 & 1996 on 1 September. Those two years had five Sundays in September. Thereās any number of other examples. Limerick won the 1940 All Ireland on 1 September 1940.
The simple facts are that the date of the All Ireland Hurling Final was fixed for the first Sunday in September in 1929. I stand corrected on this, but I think there were only two instances of the hurling final not been played on the first Sunday in September every year between 1929 and 1996. In 1941 when Cork won the All Ireland, but later lost a Munster final to Tipperary from the championship earlier in the year because of an outbreak of foot & mouth, the championship was delayed by a few weeks. Then in 1956 when Wexford beat Cork, there was an outbreak of polio or TB or one of those 1950 epidemics and it wasnāt played until late September.
After the introduction of the back door system in 1997, with the extra games in the calendar, for a period of 5 years it was switched to second Sunday in September. This was met with a lot of opposition from overseas and it was switched back to the first Sunday in September in 2006. It was played on its traditional date of the first Sunday in September until 2011 and in 2012 the GAA agreed with the organisers of the American Football game to move it back a week.[/QUOTE]
The arrangement is prone to change and has changed a number of times since 1996. The United Statesian football match was not the reason for the move to the 9th and 23rd for the 2012 finals.
In 2011 the August Bank Holiday weekend was Sunday July 31st/Monday August 1st. In 2012 it was Sunday August 5th/Monday August 6th. That meant that if the football final was to be played on the 16th of September in 2012 the GAA would have had one less week to run off the All-Ireland semi-finals. This was the real reason for the move back to September 23rd. Iām open to correction on this but I think the GAA also brought back replays after 70 minutes for All-ireland quarter finals in 2012 so this may also have been another factor in the move.
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for all his west brit wumās its brilliant that he has fallen on his sword on such a mundane topic[/QUOTE]
As Albert Reynolds said, itās not the big things that trip you up, itās the little things.
Not doing any digging. I stated the wrong venue in Dublin for that American Football game in 2012 and Iāve held my hand up on my mistake there.
Going back to the original discussion on this thread, the point Iām making is, the clash next Saturday is not the first time that something of this nature has arisen. The All Ireland Hurling Final of 2012 was put back one week from its traditional date in 2012 to accommodate this American Football match in Dublin. It caused ructions in US GAA circles at the time but I believe it garnered little or no comment back here.
[QUOTE=āManuel Zelaya, post: 1005843, member: 377ā]Not doing any digging. I stated the wrong venue in Dublin for that American Football game in 2012 and Iāve held my hand up on my mistake there.
Going back to the original discussion on this thread, the point Iām making is, the clash next Saturday is not the first time that something of this nature has arisen. The All Ireland Hurling Final of 2012 was put back one week from its traditional date in 2012 to accommodate this American Football match in Dublin. It caused ructions in US GAA circles at the time but I believe it garnered little or no comment back here.[/QUOTE]
instead of showing stats of hurling final dates, would it not just be far easier for you to find the media related sources detailing this very point above you are making?
When overseas branches queried at the 2012 GAA Congress in Laois why the All Ireland Hurling Final had been moved to 8 September 2012 from its traditional date of 1 September 2012 - the first Sunday in September, the top table responded that there was no breach in protocol as when there were five Sundayās in September it was played on the fourth last Sunday in September. As Iāve already chronicled, this is bullshit as practically every hurling final from 1929 onwards in a year that had five Sundays in September were played on either 1 or 2 September.
As Iāve said, I believe it attracted little or no comment or controversy here as outside of traditionalists people didnāt seem to be particularly bothered whether it was played on the first or second Sunday in September. In the US where I was living it the time it was a major bone of contention in GAA circles. Thereās little or no holidays in the US full stop. Thanksgiving, a day or two at Christmas, a few bank holidays like Martin Luther King Day and a week and a bit more at the end of August/start of Setpember up to the Labour Day Bank Holiday Monday. This allowed immigrants home from the US to squeeze in the hurling final on the last day of their holidays before flying back on Labour Day Monday and into work on Tuesday. When the hurling final was moved to second Sunday in September, attending it was out of bounds for most working Irish immigrants in the US.
you really think that changing the AI final for an American football game in the Aviva would generate no discussion at all, anywhere in the media?
why would the GAA come out and deny this was the case if they had indeed done so? Surely if they had done it for this reason, and then publically denied it, there would be at least some controversy.
Next yearās finals will be played on September 9 and 23 respectively. No other factors other than rule were considered in the scheduling of these fixtures.
That piece also shows the reason for reverting back to the first Sunday in 2006 was because of th eRyder Cup. why would they make it known then they changed it for that, but not for the American football game.
6.31 All-Ireland Finals
The All Ireland Senior Finals shall be played in Croke
Park: the Football Final shall be played on the penultimate
Sunday in September and the Hurling Final shall be
played two weeks previous. In exceptional circumstances,
the Central Council may make other arrangements.
So maybe, just maybe, they didnt change it because of a College game on in the Aviva on the Saturday