Has the GGA sold its soul?

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[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1005858, member: 112”]you really think that changing the AI final for an American football game in the Aviva would generate no discussion at all, anywhere in the media?

why would the GAA come out and deny this was the case if they had indeed done so? Surely if they had done it for this reason, and then publically denied it, there would be at least some controversy.

http://www.thescore.ie/gaa-explains-its-decision-to-push-back-next-years-all-ireland-finals-283122-Nov2011/

Next year’s finals will be played on September 9 and 23 respectively. No other factors other than rule were considered in the scheduling of these fixtures.

That piece also shows the reason for reverting back to the first Sunday in 2006 was because of th eRyder Cup. why would they make it known then they changed it for that, but not for the American football game.

Also, see here for the GAA guide:
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2011_Part_1.pdf

specifically this bit-
Page 93

6.31 All-Ireland Finals
The All Ireland Senior Finals shall be played in Croke
Park: the Football Final shall be played on the penultimate
Sunday in September and the Hurling Final shall be
played two weeks previous. In exceptional circumstances,
the Central Council may make other arrangements.

So maybe, just maybe, they didnt change it because of a College game on in the Aviva on the Saturday[/QUOTE]

Moving on from Ryder Cup year, the hurling final in 2007 was played on 2 September 2007, a September that had 5 Sunday. For the four years after that, the hurling final was played on the first Sunday in September, 7 September 2008, 6 September 2009, 5 September 2010 and 4 September 2011 before in 2012 it magically goes to the second Sunday in September - 9 September 2012 and the weekend before on the optimum weekend of the 52 in the calendar year for US citizens to be travelling abroad, Dublin hosts an American Football match.

I’m recounting what the feeling was in GAA circles in Chicago when I lived there in 2012. The steadfast view in GAA circles there was that the GAA were accommodating the holiday plans of 30,00-40,000 American Football fans who wanted to travel to Dublin for the Notre Dame v Navy game and didn’t give a hoot that the US immigrants who travelled back home for the Hurling Final almost every year couldn’t make it in 2012.

It was no accident that after 9 years of hurling finals on the second Sunday in September between 1997 and 2005, it was when Nicky Brennan an All Ireland winning Kilkenny hurler from an almost exclusive hurling county became president in 2006, the hurling final went back to its traditional date on the first Sunday in September. The original move in date was already a fait accompli by the time Joe McDonagh took over the reins in 1997 and there was no great impetus under the Sean McCague or Sean Kelly presidencies to move it back to its traditional date.

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Have Manuel and Caoimhaoin ever had a debate? If croppy boy was thrown into the mix it would be a great spectacle.

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dungeon this thread please rocko

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Agreed, whoever started it was obviously stoned out of his bin.

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All the limeruck women

NO HAWK EYE SO IF IT WAS ON IN LIMERICK KERRY WOULD HAVE WON

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Back in 2010 when they put barriers up in Croker.

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You’re the one who started it. You were ruminating about the GGA losing its soul and American football taking precedence over an all Ireland semi final. I then go on to chronicle the GAA allowing American Football take precedence over not just a mere All Ireland semi final but an All Ireland Hurling Final and your sense of outrage suddenly disappears?

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[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1005874, member: 377”]Moving on from Ryder Cup year, the hurling final in 2007 was played on 2 September 2007, a September that had 5 Sunday. For the four years after that, the hurling final was played on the first Sunday in September, 7 September 2008, 6 September 2009, 5 September 2010 and 4 September 2011 before in 2012 it magically goes to the second Sunday in September - 9 September 2012 and the weekend before on the optimum weekend of the 52 in the calendar year for US citizens to be travelling abroad, Dublin hosts an American Football match.

I’m recounting what the feeling was in GAA circles in Chicago when I lived there in 2012. The steadfast view in GAA circles there was that the GAA were accommodating the holiday plans of 30,00-40,000 American Football fans who wanted to travel to Dublin for the Notre Dame v Navy game and didn’t give a hoot that the US immigrants who travelled back home for the Hurling Final almost every year couldn’t make it in 2012.

It was no accident that after 9 years of hurling finals on the second Sunday in September between 1997 and 2005, it was when Nicky Brennan an All Ireland winning Kilkenny hurler from an almost exclusive hurling county became president in 2006, the hurling final went back to its traditional date on the first Sunday in September. The original move in date was already a fait accompli by the time Joe McDonagh took over the reins in 1997 and there was no great impetus under the Sean McCague or Sean Kelly presidencies to move it back to its traditional date.[/QUOTE]

So your point is to quote me but ignore everything I had in the post.

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GAA fixture scheduling etc is gas. Everybody moans about something.

“It’s a joke that players train for six months for one match.”

“The back door has ruined the club scene.”

“It’s a joke that players are told to wait around for six weeks after losing in their provincial championship for a match they don’t want to play anyway.”

“This Tommy Murphy Cup is a farce. Nobody cares about it.”

“It’s a disgrace that the GAA haven’t come up with a meaningful All-Ireland B competition.”

“It’s a disgrace that the provincial finalists are out again six days after losing.”

“It’s a joke that the provincial champions have to wait five weeks for their semi-final.”

“It’s ridiculous bringing Kerry and Mayo all the way up to Croke Park for a match that will only attract 25,000.”

“It’s an insult to Kerry and Mayo bringing them down to Limerick.”

“It’s a disgrace the way club players are treated in this county.”

“It’s ridiculous that dual players are being penalised for playing both hurling and football. These are amateur players and they should be allowed play what they want.”

“It’s a farce in this day and age that players are trying to play two games at the top level.”

“It’s joke the way the county manager is being messed around by scheduling club fixtures before a championship match.”

“It’'s a joke that the county championships are put back until September.”

“It’s not good enough that the club championships drag on until St. Patrick’s Day, disrupting teas’ league campaigns.”

“It’s terrible that club players will be robbed of the St. Patrick’s Day showpiece. Our national finals should be on our national day.”

“It’s a joke that here aren’t 10 more weeks in the year. Fucking nature.”

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I have no doubt the All Ireland Hurling Final of 2012 was moved from its traditional slot to accommodate an American Football match in Dublin regardless of what spin the GAA press office put on it. Two years later, on the same Labour Day weekend, there is an American Football match in Dublin. This time its in Croke Park and this time a replay which should be played in Croke Park can’t be played there.

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You’ve no doubt, but also no proof, yet there is proof to disprove your doubt yet you still won’t accept it.

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Essentially, your argument is that

“The Association’s Official Guide states that the football final will be played on the penultimate Sunday of September and the hurling final two weeks earlier,”
I note that the Official Guide you are directing me to is dated 3 June 2011. That’s a little more than a year out from the Notre Dame v Navy game on 1 September 2012. Logistical planning for the influx of 30,000-40,000 Americans Football fans and tourists on that first weekend in September 2012 would no doubt have already been under way by June 2011.

Can you direct me to the Association’s Official Guides covering the years of 1929, 34, 35, 40, 45, 46, 51, 57, 62, 63, 68, 73, 74, 79, 85, 90, 91, 96 & 2007 when the All Ireland Hurling Final was played on the first Sunday in September in a September that had five Sundays?

The All Ireland Hurling Final was traditionally played on the first Sunday in September for the guts of 80 years. The first Sunday in September, All Ireland Hurling Final Day was a seminal date in the sporting calendar etched in the minds of all hurling people, just like the Irish Grand National on Easter Monday is etched in the minds of racing fans. Its insulting our intelligence to tell us that there was no breach in tradition when the final of 2012 was moved to 9 September 2012, disguising it with all this nonsense about September having 5 Sundays.

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This is a really boring discussion.

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Bad evening for the Sidney/Manuel franchise. A re-location may be in order.

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+1

I rarely get past the first sentence of any of Manuel’s mind numbing posts

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+1

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How do the phases of the moon affect the timing of an AI Final?

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No doubt that’s a typically lame attempt at humour on your part. Unwittingly (I have no doubt) if the phases of the moon impact on affairs meteorological you’ve raised a valid issue. When the All Ireland Hurling Final was fixed for the first Sunday in September in 1929, the football final was fixed for 3 weeks later, not the 2 we’ve now become accustomed to. With an odd exception here and the there, the football final then was played on the last Sunday in September in the months where there were 4 Sundays in the month and the penultimate Sunday when there were 5 Sundays in the month.

There were a number of football finals in the 1970’s played in really bad weather and there was a lot of comment to the effect that the football final was been played far too late in the year, increasing the risk of it been hit by bad weather. With effect from 1979, the football final was moved forward a week to the 3rd Sunday in September.

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[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1006087, member: 377”]No doubt that’s a typically lame attempt at humour on your part. Unwittingly (I have no doubt) if the phases of the moon impact on affairs meteorological you’ve raised a valid issue. When the All Ireland Hurling Final was fixed for the first Sunday in September in 1929, the football final was fixed for 3 weeks later, not the 2 we’ve now become accustomed to. With an odd exception here and the there, the football final then was played on the last Sunday in September in the months where there were 4 Sundays in the month and the penultimate Sunday when there were 5 Sundays in the month.

There were a number of football finals in the 1970’s played in really bad weather and there was a lot of comment to the effect that the football final was been played far too late in the year, increasing the risk of it been hit by bad weather. With effect from 1979, the football final was moved forward a week to the 3rd Sunday in September.[/QUOTE]
Not wishing to prolong this debate further but the 1979 Football Final was moved to accommodate the Papal Visit. It had nothing to do with the weather.