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[Mac]

I’m not desperate at all Tim. All it shows is that not every development will automatically have 10% of it dedicated to Social Housing. There’s plenty of other examples of this too since the rule was brought in.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Mac

I’m not desperate at all Tim. All it shows is that not every development will automatically have 10% of it dedicated to Social Housing. There’s plenty of other examples of this too since the rule was brought in.

All it shows is that you are talking out of your hole. Dublin Landings is a premium development and the standard of the apartments (read the architects statement) is the exact influence on the Connolly Quarter. You made another poorly informed point thinking no way would Ballymore sell 10% when in fact they have no choice in the matter and have just done so on a similar development.

Your series of points on this is bizarre. Despite the fact that Connolly is an excellent location you described it as a ghetto that is in a “poor location”. You say we shouldn’t built apartments because of previously poorly made ones but then go on about these being luxury ones. You’ve now gone down this social housing rabbit hole when you have no idea what is going on out there. You have put forward no vision for what you actually think is worthwhile but keep on blustering you’re way through.

[gilgamboa]

@Mac

It’s not a development that will benefit those most impacted by the housing crisis in any way as you claim. It’s focused on high end wealthy renters. If you think Mulryan is going to hand over 74 high end apartments for Social Housing then you’re off your rocker.

Any new capacity ultimately has a positive knock on affect for social housing. These 700 apts will be occupied by plenty people 'trading up’as tenants which frees up lesser quality accom elsewhere for more ‘trading up’.

Same way new student accom developments near UCD frees up family homes currently occupied by students

[gilgamboa]

@Mac

And finally, Irish developers build shit apartments. They work in other European cities as they have proper building regulations and the regulators aren’t lackies who half do their job. Until we reach a point that we can build apartment blocks that aren’t defective then high rise apartment blocks are not the answer for anything.

This is a fair point. But we shouldn’t stop doing the right thing because our building regs aren’t monitored properly. Fix that too.

[glasagusban]

@Tim_Riggins

This is about increasing Dublin’s average height to the likes of Paris, which is more than Dublin’s.

So you’re going to increase the average to six stories by building high rise buildings? Would you ever go away you silly fool.

[tallback]

@gilgamboa

@Mac

It’s not a development that will benefit those most impacted by the housing crisis in any way as you claim. It’s focused on high end wealthy renters. If you think Mulryan is going to hand over 74 high end apartments for Social Housing then you’re off your rocker.

Any new capacity ultimately has a positive knock on affect for social housing. These 700 apts will be occupied by plenty people 'trading up’as tenants which frees up lesser quality accom elsewhere for more ‘trading up’.

Same way new student accom developments near UCD frees up family homes currently occupied by students

This is the entire point. Supply, any supply, will provide more options and will moderate prices

[tallback]

@glasagusban

@Tim_Riggins

This is about increasing Dublin’s average height to the likes of Paris, which is more than Dublin’s.

So you’re going to increase the average to six stories by building high rise buildings? Would you ever go away you silly fool.

Would you think increasing the average by building low-rise buildings would be a better plan, mathematically?

[Mac]

There seems little to no appetite from anyone in power to change it though which is very concerning. Eoghan Murphy has been questioned on it multiple times in the Dail in recent years and has deflected it all.

[glasagusban]

I would suggest that building more buildings of around 6 stories or so in around dublin would be the way to go.

[Mac]

@tallback

@gilgamboa

@Mac

It’s not a development that will benefit those most impacted by the housing crisis in any way as you claim. It’s focused on high end wealthy renters. If you think Mulryan is going to hand over 74 high end apartments for Social Housing then you’re off your rocker.

Any new capacity ultimately has a positive knock on affect for social housing. These 700 apts will be occupied by plenty people 'trading up’as tenants which frees up lesser quality accom elsewhere for more ‘trading up’.

Same way new student accom developments near UCD frees up family homes currently occupied by students

This is the entire point. Supply, any supply, will provide more options and will moderate prices

By the time these buildings have been built the likes of Facebook, Google, Indeed, Salesforce etc will have expanded their workforce by another 2000-3000 odd people and added the vast majority to those living in these spaces with healthy relocation packages to subsidise high rents. I’d love to think these new ‘high end’ apartments will help those at the bottom of the chain but I just don’t see it practically.

[Tim_Riggins]

Do you know how averages work?

[Tim_Riggins]

You said 4-6 last night. It’s “6 or so” now.

You know cities throughout Europe are going up too?

[glasagusban]

You have a weird obsession with Johnny Ronan vanity style high rise projects.

[carryharry]

On what basis exactly is 6 stories okay but something higher is not?

[Julio_Geordio]

@glasagusban

I would suggest that building more buildings of around 6 stories or so in around dublin would be the way to go.

Isn’t the problem that half the city is protected structures of about 3 stories that we can do nothing with

[myboyblue]

@carryharry

On what basis exactly is 6 stories okay but something higher is not?

[tallback]

@Mac

@tallback

@gilgamboa

@Mac

It’s not a development that will benefit those most impacted by the housing crisis in any way as you claim. It’s focused on high end wealthy renters. If you think Mulryan is going to hand over 74 high end apartments for Social Housing then you’re off your rocker.

Any new capacity ultimately has a positive knock on affect for social housing. These 700 apts will be occupied by plenty people 'trading up’as tenants which frees up lesser quality accom elsewhere for more ‘trading up’.

Same way new student accom developments near UCD frees up family homes currently occupied by students

This is the entire point. Supply, any supply, will provide more options and will moderate prices

By the time these buildings have been built the likes of Facebook, Google, Indeed, Salesforce etc will have expanded their workforce by another 2000-3000 odd people and added the vast majority to those living in these spaces with healthy relocation packages to subsidise high rents. I’d love to think these new ‘high end’ apartments will help those at the bottom of the chain but I just don’t see it practically.

Possibly. But if those companies expand and the apartments aren’t built then what happens to the bottom of the chain?

[glasagusban]

There’s actually plenty of space close to the city centre where housing can be built.

[Tim_Riggins]

Do you want to see some of the projects in Europe in equivalent and smaller cities?

Manhattan.

[Tim_Riggins]

Integrated to public transport including heavy rail and the planned Metro North?