No new developmentsā¦
More housesā¦
What else do you want?
What are you talking about?
WHEREāS MY FREE HOUSE!!!
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You have a very succinct thought process - Do what youre told. Dont question authority.
Connolly Station is the busiest station in the country. Macās point on it being a āpoor locationā and a āghettoā is ridiculous - the demand clearly shows people want to get there
Letās take Macās point on infrastructure;
- With 741 apartments there at say 2 persons per apartment, letās say thereās 1,000 former commuters there. Thereās 1,000 who likely used the Bus, DART or LUAS before. Even if half of them end up using a mode of transport (rather than walking) to get somewhere else that is 500 persons. That is a net saving.
- to say Connolly Station and the rail infrastructure is fromthe 1800s solely is clearly nonsense. All of the main stations in Dublin have had other entrances/exits opened (in the case of Pearse, delayed for months because of trade unions), platforms extended etc. The infrastructure is clearly not perfect, but it doesnāt mean it wonāt be improved. As part of the Tara development Tara St. station will be improved. In a few years there will also be a metro station under there. The idea that nothing changes is cynical to the extreme and also like the apartment regulations āpointā, a bizarre excuse against development.
The evidence internationally is to construct where you have good transport nodes. Historically CIĆ have not done this, hoarding land around stations whilst private developers look at every which way to get closer to the transport (Google didnāt start on Barrow Street for the laugh). We have excellent opportunities to build a large dense communities at the likes of Connolly and Heuston. These fit in with existing infrastructure, the planned Metro and Bus Connects.
The hard left and soft left (the likes of Gary Gannon) are also delaying OāDevany Gardens being redeveloped - somewhere that will include 25% social and affordable housing.
They will go the mattresses on Poolbeg too despite all the social and affordable housing included.
Watch the Players site tooā¦
Many centrist politicans are as bad, if not worse, than the lefties too as well in fairness. Though at least they donāt virtue signal.
Iāve no interest in getting into another tired debate with you but let me clarify some of your misinformed viewpoints
- āPeople clearly want to get thereā - its the main terminus for the coastal rail network in the country. Its not a desire or a choice to get there. Its imposed on travellers.
- Anyone currently commuting into that space is unlikely to be a potential renter of the new apartments. Apartments wonāt take 500-1000 people out of there. It makes no logical sense.
- When the Dunboyne line was upgraded they had to make all weekday trains bypass Connolly into Docklands as it couldnāt handle the extra volume. Darts cannot run with more than a 10 minute frequency as Connolly canāt handle the volume. What happened in Pearse or elsewhere is of no relevance here. Connollys infrastructure is unable to handle modern demands. Thatās my main point. All of the upgraded train lines in Ireland have been to the west of Dublin out of Heuston. The entire coastal line is ridiculously outdated. If the Belfast train runs 10 mins late it impacts every dart for the rest of the day.
People can raise valid concerns and still want housing to be built - they are not exclusiveā¦
We saw in the 70s- 80s - 90s how estates were just bate up and while regulations are a lot stiffer now, the ordinary person should be allowed raise concerns without being branded a lefty loony
There are kids eating dinner on the street and youāre looking back to the 70s. We need vision and not lads looking in the rear view mirror.
Itās why Leo will always be a greater statesman than a NI politician.
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How many years has Leo had to implement his vision for housing?
Rome was not built in a day.
If it was, we would have used Roman contractors.
Fuckin hell - that sounds like something the Treasury Manager in Anglo or Irish Nationwide would say
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Nah. Johnny Ronan.
Fuck the city centre. Lets build loads of high rise apartments in a suburb of the city. Lets build them as high as we can. Maybe somewhere just inside the M50 would be the perfect location. Sure what could possibly go wrong.
Irish people are terrified of apartments. Itās bizarre behavior
In fairness thereās good reason to be. The lads reference other European cities, mostly where apartments are built to a good living size. Irish (well Dublin mainly I guess) apartments (not just Celtic Tiger ones) are shoeboxes by comparison and a huge amount have been defective.
The only times weāve built towers has been a bit of a disaster. Ballymun is an extreme example but was built to solve a housing crisis and look where they all are now. Sandyford is a cluster of high rise apartments, most of which are not fire safe, or are sitting there half finished because the developers went bust and no-one wants to invest in them.
Cherrywood is now Sandyford mark 2. Theyāre turning what was empty space into a cluster of apartment blocks. The area around there can barely handle the traffic at rush hour although it is close to the Luas line I think so I hope this actually shows the value of building proper size apartments in a decent space with decent infrastructure around it.
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Your points are all valid but the alternative (semi-D in a midland town etc with a massive daily commute) is equally appalling. The reason there is lots of traffic around Sandyford and Cherrywood isnāt because of high-rises there - its people commuting to/through there largely from outside Dublin.
Cherrywood will be interesting as that is effectively a new town with playing fields and parkland all built into the plan.
The Luas was a great service but the cross city extension has made a balls of it. They should have provided for city center terminus as well as cross city.
As things currently are, I wouldnāt be suggesting a semi-d in a midland town as a solution. Its a different discussion, but weāre fixated on getting everything into a tight space in the least accessible area of Dublin down by Docks or GCD or whatever you want to call it. While thereās a load of empty land there to be used, putting thousands and thousands of extra jobs there makes things worse rather than better.
To be honest, Iād be of the view that its better located there and work to improve public transport infrastructure and increased housing density, than out on the M50. I think the notion of spreading it around the country is exactly that - a notion.
Most of these companies want to be in Dublin and the support professional services will always co-locate.