[quote=“Mairegangaire”]Look I swear these is going to be my last and final comments on Rebel Strike III
I personally hate the man, but its personal. But I will say it has to do with the treatment of God.
Sin Fucking Sin[/quote]
MGG
Who’s God? Is this an ecumenical question or is there some player in cork that ye refer to with that moniker?
WBY
Your from Limerick, what the fuck would you know about it.
He has got players off suspensions etc, but i think the rest of the coutry has caught up with him in that respect. Also on many occassions i (personally) wouldn’t have agreed with him getting guys off. I personally thought the decision not to replay with Derry was a terrible move, letting Minors think they can get away with anything, Kieran Murphy still believes that.
Treaty_exile - What game against Tipp are you talking about?
I hear the Cork players aren’t too happy about John McCain not gettin in yesterday…more trouble on the horizon methinks.
Come on those jokes are a bit old now.
What jokes?
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]Your from Limerick, what the fuck would you know about it.
He has got players off suspensions etc, but i think the rest of the coutry has caught up with him in that respect. Also on many occassions i (personally) wouldn’t have agreed with him getting guys off. I personally thought the decision not to replay with Derry was a terrible move, letting Minors think they can get away with anything, Kieran Murphy still believes that.
Treaty_exile - What game against Tipp are you talking about?[/quote]
typical cork arrogance and a good example of the attitudes that has your boys in this current shitheap!
i may be from limerick and you may think i know fuck all about it but please remember that while your players are disgracing your county, again, im laughing my hole off at you
keep it up lads
[quote=“HBV*”]typical cork arrogance and a good example of the attitudes that has your boys in this current shitheap!
i may be from limerick and you may think i know fuck all about it but please remember that while your players are disgracing your county, again, im laughing my hole off at you
keep it up lads[/quote]
Arrogance!
Come off It HB. I even though you were from Tip you’re so full of yerself.
Don’t even dare to point the finger at players disgracing their county without naming and shaming Limerick first.
[quote=“W.B. Yeats”]MGG
Who’s God? Is this an ecumenical question or is there some player in cork that ye refer to with that moniker?
WBY[/quote]
you should be ashamed of yourself.
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]By a mile. His knowledge of the rules, lobbying etc only won us one game, the Minor semi-final against Derry in 2000, a replay which most Coprk people felt a replay should be offered. Getting fellas off suspension etc has never directly affected results in my memory.
I do believe he has cost Cork an serious amount of All-Irelands, particulary in football. His interferring is well known with selection committees. But the biggest problem has been this, many a good coach/manager has stayed away from the Inter-County scene in Cork because of him. He has fallen out with pretty much everybody. The best footballers were in West Cork for years, but weren’t getting picked, that could be traced back to Frank.[/quote]
While I repeat that I don’t have local knowledge anymore; I still have to disagree on some of that C.
First: no way were Derry getting a replay when they didn’t offer one back in 1993.
Secondly and on the football; when Billy ran the show you can be damn sure Frank didn’t open his trap. Proof of your West Cork theory being weak; Phillip Clifford.
The lack of County Cork Lads getting their game has more to do with Nemo and not Frank; but only on this occassion. I suspect he doesn’t go near Coun’nie either.
I wholeheartedly agree about his interferenene on Hurling matters and selection. I hope that man dies screaming and for a very long time because of this.
He is solely responsible for Cork’s deficit to Kilkenny in this regard.
Cork players: Vendetta against us
By Michael Moynihan
THE Cork senior hurlers last night issued a hard hitting statement challenging comments made by manager Gerald McCarthy and the County Board as the dispute between players and officials showed no signs of resolution.
The squad claimed in a statement exclusively released to the Irish Examiner last night, that the campaign against them in the row over McCarthys re-appointment can only be interpreted as constituting a vendetta.
They again insisted they do not want the right to pick the manager and, in the course of a lengthy statement, the players also claimed a Board member on the seven-man selection committee stated McCarthy was the second-best man for the job.
The players statement added: [COLOR=“DimGray”]At no point in the proceedings was the boards first choice as manager confirmed, which shows that, in our view, this was in fact a done deal.
We recognise the upset and annoyance which these situations have caused Cork GAA people over recent years, said a player representative. But were concerned by what we see as attempts to mislead the Cork GAA public, which is why we feel obliged to make the following points by way of clarification.
We feel there has been a concerted campaign against us and we have no choice but to try to set the record straight. For all of us these developments are unwelcome and unnecessary, but for some of us, due to the magnitude of the campaign, they can only be interpreted as constituting a vendetta.
Michael Moynihan: Gerald McCarthy questioned whether players had the right to pick the manager, saying on Newstalk: If thats the way, its player power pure and total.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]The players dont say they have the right to pick the manager, (their wish was to be involved in the selection process) nor do they want the right to pick the manager. The players have the right, according to binding arbitration, to have a two-sevenths representation in the process to appoint a new manager. The players didnt decide this, it was decided by Kieran Mulvey in binding arbitration.
MM: In his statement of October 30, issued to the media, Gerald McCarthy said the presentation by certain players of my appointment as Cork hurling manager has been quite disingenuous… Im happy that my appointment was correctly made it was not a done deal, as has been suggested.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]Gerald wasnt present at any of the five meetings and is not in a position to say whether the players are telling the truth or not. For the record, the players agree there were five meetings but maintain that there was no process, and that they have told no lies.
MM: The county board statement of October 31 reaffirmed its support for its properly appointed hurling manager.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“rgb(105, 105, 105)”][COLOR=“DimGray”]Not for the first time, the Cork County Board deems it necessary to say that what they have done in the past was correctly done. The players dont accept that this was a legitimate process or a legitimate appointment and as a result, dont accept that there are any constraints on them or on any of their actions.
MM: The county board insists the two player representatives never presented any other candidate for consideration . . . at the third meeting there was a discussion of the names of other possible managers.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]In two sentences, the innate contradiction of the county board statement is clearly set out. It can hardly be said that nobody was presented for consideration if there was a discussion of their names. By way of further clarification, the names were suggested at the second meeting (not the third), which was attended by Sen g hAilpn (as proxy for John Gardiner). It was the only meeting he attended and he suggested potential candidates. Regarding the process, the players believe that the board tried to force them into a vote (on one man) where they held the majority, while attempting to maintain that this was a process.
The reason there were five meetings was because, from meeting number two, the players tried to resist the situation being imposed on them, which clearly was not as envisaged by Mr Mulveys findings nor in the best interests of Cork hurling. When other candidates were mentioned by players, they were not considered but a board member in the course of the discussions stated that he believed Gerald was the second-best man for the job. At no point in the proceedings was the boards first choice as manager confirmed, which shows that, in our view, this was in fact a done deal.
MM: Gerald has referred to the ferocity of the approach of players in his media statement.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]Were amazed Gerald could have found any approach to him ferocious, intimidating or in any way improper. Even though he was not the Cork hurling manager at the time, given the widely reported lack of respect to other sitting intercounty managers in other counties, and out of respect for Gerald personally, it was felt that a direct approach on a human level was vital. At that time the players as they do now felt Gerald was being put in a position by the board and wanted him to avoid that, especially when he did not enjoy the confidence of any panel member from a managerial point of view. This was leaving aside the panels objections to his appointment.
The players went to see Gerald on the morning of his appointment in an effort to show the unity of the panel and the respect of the panel to him. All 30 panel members wanted to go but only 10 were available due to work commitments on the day.
MM: Gerald McCarthys comments to the media.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]Since his purported appointment, Gerald McCarthy has launched a campaign seeking to justify his position, which the players would have regarded as being misguided until, in their view, the line was crossed on a number of occasions by Gerald. He has accused the players of bullying him that did not happen at any time. He has been treated at all times with great respect, as befits his position.
MM: On Newstalk Gerald referred to Bens interview in the Irish Examiner, specifically the matter of phone calls to younger players from management some players were contacted, and there were younger players contacted … he did not put any pressure on any younger players. But he did point out to players that, look, theres a lot at stake here for younger players.
PLAYERS: No senior players were contacted, and the younger players contacted certainly felt they were being pressurised. To quote from one of the calls, the management representative said: Its the younger players will lose out. This was interpreted as a threat or pressure by the younger players concerned. To seek to label Ben OConnor as uttering untruths is outrageous and unacceptable to us. In many parts of the GAA world, Ben OConnor is considered to be a hurling legend.
MM: Gerald said on Newstalk that Ben OConnors suggestion the player vote was unanimous was inaccurate.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]Gerald was not present at any meeting. The panel was absolutely unanimous in its rejection of Gerald as proposed manager, but at the time, in a confidential meeting, a small number of players held a minority view as to how best to proceed in the current climate. This has since been unanimously resolved.
MM: Geralds statement to the media says I have tried to understand how the players have painted themselves into a corner.
PLAYERS:[COLOR=“DimGray”] THE players had issued no statement at that time an interview had been given by one player, Ben OConnor, in the face of blanket media coverage of Geralds point of view and the comments of other parties. The players had made no statements and hadnt painted themselves into any corners. It should be remembered who brought these matters into the public domain.
MM: Geralds media statement added: I have regrettably come to the conclusion that there is a predisposition to conflict among a very small number of Cork players.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]This echoes the numerous attempts by the board, over the years, to maintain that somewhere between 25 and 28 Cork senior hurlers are being said and led by two to five others which the 25 to 28 players, whoever they might be, find deeply insulting. It also shows the opinion of the board and Gerald as to the backbone of the Cork senior hurling team. To say that teachers, engineers, bank managers, farmers, businessmen and parents could be led down roads they did not wish to take by one or two of their team-mates is ridiculous.
Such moral weakness may prevail in other bodies, particularly those which can vote almost unanimously, in diametrically opposing ways, with just four days between each vote, like the Cork County Board.
MM: Geralds statement also reads: For some players to attempt to retrofit an objection … to treat people in a summary and offensive way reflects poorly on them.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]Yet again, this is an echo of the boards view, as there is no question of some players. All representations made at any time were made on the unanimous instructions of the entire panel. There was no retrofit rather, over five meetings, there was an objection by the players, through their representatives, to the efforts to back them into a corner. These objections took place over the course of the meetings and before the vote was taken, not after it.
MM: The publication of Cathal OReillys document.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]We are at a complete loss as to how a confidential document, to which we all contributed under conditions of strict privacy, could find its way to the pages of a newspaper.
Cathal OReilly has confirmed that only one copy of this document was ever produced by him and was only given to one individual Gerald McCarthy. For this document to be given to anyone, let alone a newspaper, exemplifies the lack of understanding on Geralds part, in our view, of the nature of a relationship of trust.
Cathal OReilly was brought in to help the players and Gerald when it was recognised by all and sundry that there was a lack of trust as part of a dysfunctional relationship between management and panel.
Cathal has confirmed to the panel that on October 29, without any contact from the Cork management, he received a phone call from Gerald thanking him for his help, asking him to return next year and failing to mention anything about the use of, publication of, loss of, misplacement of the confidential document given to him many months before and which miraculously appeared the following day in the newspaper.
MM: The county board statement says it . . . may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past, but few can deny that we have made adjustments to take account of changed times, new values and circumstances.
PLAYERS: [COLOR=“DimGray”]To say the board may have been guilty of misjudgements in the past is a crass understatement. Gerald McCarthy was elected as the sole candidate put forward by the board, following the county board secretary being, in Geralds words, very persuasive in 2006.
The players, despite their misgivings and the stated intent of members of the previous management to apply for the job, did not raise an objection to Geralds appointment. This followed four years under Donal OGrady and John Allen, both with different management methods, without a single issue or incident arising between team, management or the county board.
Twelve months ago the hurlers and footballers begged with the Cork County Board not to make an appointment of a football manager because of a flawed appointment process. The players did not want the issue personalised at that time.
Twelve months on its own senior hurling team begged the board not to make an appointment because of a flawed appointment process and its obvious outcome, and begged the individual concerned not to put himself in the same position.
Despite the binding arbitration findings, we think it is clear exactly what type of adjustments the board has made.
MM: Gerald says in his statement this issue is about due process, respect and other core values that I and many others hold dear.
PLAYERS:[COLOR=“DimGray”] We wholeheartedly agree.
[quote=“caoimhaoin”]
Treaty_exile - What game against Tipp are you talking about?[/quote]
I assume he is talking about the Munster Football Final replay against Tipperary some years ago (think it was 2002) where Cork used too many subs but Frank Murphy used an anomaly in the rule book to paper over the obvious difficulty.
Albeit I am from Limerick so I probably wouldn’t know.
[quote=“SHANNONSIDER**”]I assume he is talking about the Munster Football Final replay against Tipperary some years ago (think it was 2002) where Cork used too many subs but Frank Murphy used an anomaly in the rule book to paper over the obvious difficulty.
Albeit I am from Limerick so I probably wouldn’t know.[/quote]
yeah in the replay cork used too many subs…i think it had something to do with blood subs being counted as a sub…but cork won the game handy so tipp din’t look for a replay…
Pretty clear from that article that there is no way back for Gerald in this. He has for his own reasons inserted himself squarely in a dispute between the players and the process used by the CCB.
Clear also that the players believe he leaked the comments given by players previously in confidence and which were written as part of an exercise where no negative comments were allowed. To then claim months later that they vindicate him fully is a joke. Very disappointed on how he has handled himself, my fear is that he has been pushed to react, and vey unwisely.
Tell ye one thing
The Players better get a publicist/ writer 'cause thats waffle.
Mairegangaire@ireland.com
(just in case:D)
[quote=“SHANNONSIDER**”]I assume he is talking about the Munster Football Final replay against Tipperary some years ago (think it was 2002) where Cork used too many subs but Frank Murphy used an anomaly in the rule book to paper over the obvious difficulty.
Albeit I am from Limerick so I probably wouldn’t know.[/quote]
as usual, quite right SS
2002 replay, cork used 21 players.
frank smoothed over the issue by pointing out the rule book does not specify the penalty for such an infringement.
Tipp also had no complaints over the result, so the matter was dropped.
[quote=“SHANNONSIDER**”]I assume he is talking about the Munster Football Final replay against Tipperary some years ago (think it was 2002) where Cork used too many subs but Frank Murphy used an anomaly in the rule book to paper over the obvious difficulty.
Albeit I am from Limerick so I probably wouldn’t know.[/quote]
Ah yes, that should have been replayed as well.
Yeah but i think cork won the same match by 15+ points and i thik that tipp didn’t push for a replay as they felt that it could have been another whitewash…
The rebels are having their speak on Prime Time tonight.
Full Statement from Gerald McCarthy
"For those not directly involved, and for many of us who are, this is becoming a huge bore.
"I have been asked by various media to comment on the Cork players’ statement. At this point, I have no intention of doing so, other than to say that each of the points raised by the players can be fully challenged by me.
"But in an attempt to end, for the moment, media calls to me and disruption to my life and business, I will respond in this way. The tone of the players statement says it all, really. The county board is wrong, Gerald McCarthy is wrong but the players are never wrong. They have no responsibilities in all of this. This is just rubbish.
"It would be helpful if those players who are driving this issue were honest enough to acknowledge that the first time this appeared in the media arose when players anonymously fed misinformation directed against me to a number of journalists. That behaviour is fine, apparently. Yet when I defend myself in the media, this small group of players cries “foul”. That speaks volumes. If I am attacked as a person or as a coach, I will defend myself.
"If there was a difficulty with coaching then it should have been dealt with as a coaching issue. The players themselves will acknowledge that I am quite open to talk about coaching methods.
"From the time of Cork’s last game against Kilkenny, no player ever approached me to discuss my coaching. At no time during the period of the meetings on the appointment of the manager, did any player or player representative come to me to talk about issues with my coaching. Yet when I was appointed, I was asked to stand down. I am not going to do that.
"The great pity of all of this is that a number of interesting coaching team appointments which were to be announced by me are now on hold. Also, proposals that I wished to submit to the Cork county board on the establishment of an academy, a centre of excellence, to radically transform coaching in Cork, to address the challenges we now have as a hurling power, to stop the attrition of talented young players, to support the clubs and to create a community of hurlers between young and former players, are now also on hold.
"There is a really exciting time ahead for young Cork players, I am full of admiration for those who had the courage to speak up for their right to play for Cork at recent players meetings and I hope they stick with it.
“So much of my time - hurling time - for the past few years, has been devoted to ‘conflict resolution’. The players have to take responsibility for their role in this and it can’t go on. They really should stop portraying themselves as victims of some grand conspiracy against them and get back to playing hurling for Cork. My door is always open to achieve that result.”
Well at least Gerald McCarthy got a professional statment prepared and issued.
Plain spoken and not overly ambitious; well written and well done.