At least it canât be towed which is an upgrade.
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Movealong
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The jury in the Stardust inquests has returned a verdict of unlawful killing in the cases of each of the 48 young people who died in the fire at the Artane nightclub 43 years ago.
The 12-person jury reached majority verdicts in all cases, the foreman confirmed at the beginning of the hearing at the Pillar Room of the Rotunda Hospital, where the court has been sitting since April 2023.
The jury found that at the time of the fire, exits in the Stardust Ballroom were either locked, chained, or otherwise obstructed.
For this reason, the deceased were impeded in their ability to access or exit through the emergency exits.
More than 90 days of evidence and testimony from 373 witnesses was heard at the inquiry into the deaths of 48 people, aged 16 to 27, in a fire in the north Dublin ballroom in the early hours of 14th February 1981.
Five verdicts were available â accidental, misadventure, unlawful killing, open verdict and narrative.
Justice, finally and at long last.
Theyâll only get justice when the people responsible answer for their actions which is highly unlikely
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I really donât see the point of going through painstakingly such an awful horrible event especially for the families. Whatever the verdict, it doesnât change what happened.
I could understand if it was started deliberately. But thatâs not the case. It was an accident.
Let it go. Coming up on half a century now.
The Butterly family, a Fianna Fail family who were invited to help fund the party along with other wealthy business owners and families. Sick, that a steady stream of FF and FG governments have ignored the families and friends of the survivors.
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What do you mean governments have ignored the families? Specifically??
Have a google mate, itâs all there.
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Those Stardust families are remarkable. Some perseverance.
Real proper salt of the earth Dubs.
Former Stardust manager Eamon Butterly made a High Court application shortly before the jury began its deliberations, it can now be reported.
Just before Easter weekend, Mr Butterly, who had been manager of the nightclub, sought permission to bring judicial review proceedings challenging decisions made by the coroner to allow the jury return a verdict of âunlawful killingâ.
The case could only be reported following todayâs verdict at the inquest into the deaths of 48 persons at the Stardust Nightclub on Valentineâs night in 1981.
The application came before Mr Justice Tony OâConnor who in a judgment refused Mr Butterlyâs application for both leave to bring the challenge, and the inquest be put on hold pending the outcome of the challenge.
The application was made shortly before Dublin City Coroner Myra Cullinane had commenced her charge or final address to the jury.
Among Mr Butterlyâs arguments was that the coroner had erred in law in separate decisions she made in March 2024 to allow the jury return a verdict of unlawful killing where there is a limited number of connected people associated with such a verdict, according to the evidence adduced.
The court heard that 21 persons, 18 of whom were identified were mentioned at the inquest, who it was submitted could be associated with a verdict of unlawful killing.
Mr Butterlyâs lawyers argued that such a verdict would be highly prejudicial and would damage his reputation as it was feared that blame could be attributed to him.
It was submitted that it is not lawfully open for a jury to attribute blame to any individual or individuals.
Lawyers for 47 of the 48 victims of the tragedy opposed the application, and urged the court not to grant leave nor the stay.
Lawyers for the coroner told the court it was their clientâs preference that she be allowed to proceed with her address to the jury.
After considering the matter, Mr Justice OâConnor said that Mr Butterly was looking for an order from the court that the coroner instruct the jury that a verdict of unlawful killing is not an available verdict.
Mr Justice OâConnor was satisfied from the evidence before him that the coroner had got her decisions right regarding what she had said to the jury in respect of the verdict of unlawful killing, and that she had not erred in law.
The coroner was alert to the caution in another High Court judgment given in earlier proceedings brought by Mr Butterly in relation to the potential verdict of unlawful killing, the judge said.
The judge added that the coroner knows the extent of the evidence given and she can direct the jury, not only in relation to their consideration of the evidence, the limited verdicts which can be delivered, but also the law.
There was he added no allegation of lack of fair procedures and it is premature to review what the applicant fears could be instructions and guidance given by the coroner.
The judge also rejected claims by Mr Butterly that he would be left without an effective remedy if an undesirable verdict from the plaintiffâs perspective was given.
During the hearing, the judge asked if the challenge was premature, and asked if such an action should be brought after the verdict had been given.
The court also said that it was undesirable for a court to intervene or interfere with an ongoing investigation or process.
The grant of a stay pending the outcome of judicial review proceedings, he said would further delay the inquest, which was something that greatly concerned the court.
When the application was made the court noted that the inquest have been running for over 120 days, and the jury had considered over 80 days of evidence.
The judge said that the verdict of unlawful killing is open to a jury as long as they are properly cautioned and directed to the fact that they cannot identify any persons.
Nor are the jury permitted in the making of their findings or returning of their verdict to expressly or impliedly attribute liability to any identified or identifiable person, he said.
During the proceedings, the judge agreed with lawyers for the parties that the media should not report on the application until after the verdict had been given.
Any reporting of the application may have effected or influenced the jury while they were attempting to reach their decision.
This, the court was told, was something that was extremely undesirable.
The judge, noting the courtâs obligations that justice be administered in public, agreed that nothing should be reported on the application until after the verdict was given.
Mr Butterlyâs bid was the second judicial review he brought in respect of a possible verdict of unlawful death.
In November 2022 Mr Justice Charles Meenan rejected Mr Butterlyâs claim that the inquest could not make findings of unlawful killing.
The judge said, this can only be in âappropriate circumstancesâ and only where no person(s) is identified or identifiable.
Mr Butterly had sought to prevent the coroner from conducting the inquest in a way in which he believed would make him âa target for a verdict of unlawful killingâ.
The coroner, the Minister for Justice and the Attorney General, opposed the application while the families of the deceased, the Garda Commissioner and Dublin City Council were notice parties.
The judge refused Mr Butterlyâs application saying he was satisfied that the ruling by Ms Cullinane in February 2022 that a verdict of unlawful killing could not be ruled out at that stage was correct in law.
Ms Cullinaneâs grounds for doing so included that she could give appropriate directions to the jury and that it would be open to legal teams of all interested parties to make any necessary submissions as to what directions should be given, the judge heldâŚ
Mr Justice Meenan said an inquest is an inquisitorial hearing to establish the facts concerning the who, how, when, where and circumstances of a personâs death.
It is not an exercise of considering or apportioning blame or exoneration, he said.
The Coroners Acts prohibit questions of civil or criminal liability being considered or investigated and verdicts censuring or exonerating a person, he said.
These restrictions however do not prevent an inquest establishing the facts concerning the circumstances of a personâs death even though those facts may be ultimately relevant in another forum dealing with criminal or civil liability, he said.
Parties before an inquest are entitled to fair procedures but this entitlement is limited given the statutory confines within which an inquest takes place, he said.
Sections 30 and 31 of the Coroners Acts do not prohibit verdicts of unlawful killing, he said.
Questions of civil or criminal liability or verdicts containing censure or exoneration arise where the person(s) concerned are identified or identifiable.
âIn appropriate circumstances there may be a verdict of unlawful killing but only where no person(s) is identified or identifiableâ, he said.
The law also gives a coroner discretion to consider the circumstances of a personâs death. It may be that the more detailed the evidence is on the circumstances of the death âthe less permissible will be a verdict of unlawful killingâ, he said.
âIt is for the coroner, having heard all the evidence, who gave the evidence, and considered the submissions of the parties, to direct the jury as to the permissible verdicts.â
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COTY territory
Already logged in COTY thread yesterday
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There is no justice here. The word is meaningless.
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Never happen.
This case is everything that was wrong with Ireland in the 80s.
oh i know, as i said yesterday, im surprised that the butterlys werent dealt with by some of the gangsters around DNS
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There were a lot of insinuations made at the time about the kids who attended the disco that night. Butterly made a successful claim for malicious damages at the time inferring that the fire was started deliberately by someone at the disco. The fact that it was a bunch of working class northside kids who were involved made the insinuations stick. They had to chain the emergency doors shut otherwise theyâd never keep the vandals out etc. It was very important for the families to finally have a finding that none of the kids who died were at fault on the night.
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Definitely big parallels with Hillsborough and the victim blaming by the establishment
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