Iraq / Middle East / Murder Thread

Current Affairs
841

I’m with you on this Mickee.

Take a look through these stats http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

22,000 kids a day are dying around the world from poverty.

Nobody really cares too much about it.

I had a look at a few ISIS videos lately. One put me in mind of this holocaust memorial, Shoes on the Danube
http://s3.amazonaws.com/everystockphoto/fspid20/32/47/45/budapest-holocaust-memorial-324745-l.jpg

These ISIS types were at the same crack last week
http://www.endtimeupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/isis-executions4.jpg

Israel is one of us, a western style democracy and must be held to a higher standard and I despise what they are at in Gaza. As was said during the week, what do people think would happen if Israelis started using their own kids as human shields?

I’d prefer to walk down Tel Aviv in my GAA jersey than down the middle of Mosul or Gaza though. What’s going on in Gaza is wrong, but I cannot fathom why the world is more bothered about it than the two examples posted above.

A reckoning is coming and most people are more interested in some celebrity with a fat ass.

842

I stand* with all the oppressed peoples of the world, mate.

*Mostly while sitting down, as it’s tiring to stand all the time. Feel free to point out the hypocrisy of this, if you wish.

843

[QUOTE=“mickee321, post: 995171, member: 367”]ah look FFS obviously i dont agree with the murder of people, if you read my posts around page 23 of this thread you will see how sickened i am at the deaths in Gaza, i find it disgusting and horrific and it cannot be justified.
What i am bamboozled with is how people pick their cause, i am not saying just beacuse Assad gassed a load of kids makes it right for the IDF to shell an area containing a hospital THAT THEY KNEW , YES KNEW CHILDREN WERE THERE, this is as bad as any suicide bomber or rocket that is sent from Gaza IMO regardless whether if the hospital was being used as a launch site or not

i am just fascinated as to why the protest movement arent also out protesting against Syria for the last 3 years, against what happened in Egypt, against what happened those lads in the video i posted , against what happened to the christians in Mosul, against what Assad did to the 2,000 Palestinian refugees last Feburary, why wasnt there a flotilla to Syria… can anyone tell me, im only asking?
yet when the US intervened against the Taliban, against Sadam you had mass protests… stop the war, etc… the same will happen in syria, i never once saw a protest for example against Al Qauda bombings in Iraq… maybe its small man in us all that wants to stand up against the big bully boythe west and israel? The IPSC were having a horn about the “Arab Spring” and Tahir Square and “Arab Nationalism”… completely oblivious to the fact the cunts who ousted Mubarak were committing mass murder…

The boycott israel thing is also bizarre, if you really want to do something get down outside PC world or a jewellers, but then again i suppose these products imapct us all, why would anyone want to protest

i fucking despair for humanity at times[/QUOTE]
Israel/Palestine will always garner more attention then most places for historical reasons. The fact is that Israel is a proto Western democracy(an imposed state borne in the aftermath of a European genocide) with massive Western backing who claims to share the same values as the West means people in this part of the world will always take more of an interest. The likes of Assad,ISIS despicable as they evidently are, tick none of the above boxes.

844

Israel is a religious fundamentalist state.

845

What has David Icke to say about all this?

846

The biggest problem for the US is picking a side which may mean they stay out of it allowing a well funded group like ISIS initially carve out a sector of Iraq & Syria.

None of their neighbours would be overjoyed by having an unstable Islamic fundamentalist army on their borders but the three that could intervene Iran, Israel & Turkey have reasons to stay clear;

The Turks have been working with the Kurds of late but wouldn’t be fans of theirs at all and wouldn’t like to see a Kurdish state on their borders considering the Kurdish minority within theirs. The reason they are working with the Kurds is that they despise the current Iraqi government as Shias and as such may be happy to see them losing some territory.
This Turkish Government is much more Islamic than previous incarnations and as such they may be happy (if not to support them) to let them off, particularly if they felt they were weakening the Kurds, the Iraqi Shias or Iran.

The Iranians are the best chance of stopping ISIS initially but would that kick off a war between Iran & say Saudi Arabia and a few more?
It could lead to an Iran/Iraq super state which the US/Israel/Saudis wouldn’t be happy about.

Israel would destroy them if they came near them in the short term, but again they can’t be upset by Syria, Iraq & Iran being destabilized.

It’s a very long shot that they’d get to a point where they’d have a chance of winning. You’d need a timeline of something like the following:

They establish a state in parts of Iraq & Syria.
They take the rest of Northern Iraq and Syria (defeating assad & kurds).
Consolidate these positions.
Ally with or invade the Lebanon. (All possible so far though Israel wouldn’t be too happy with them on their borders).
Force a civil war in Egypt & Jordan with overthrow of pro US Governments to be replaced with pro Caliphate ones (not impossible the Muslim Brotherhood would have ticked these boxes, ISIS mightn’t even have to do anything to force that).
You have a decent size now you reach out to other North African States to join or at least ally with you.
Take on and defeat Iran/Southern Iraq if they look like a threat.
Invade Israel.
WW3

WW3 could kick off at any stage of that really. The further they get the more likely they’d have a chance.

We live in interesting times.

847

Ask Julio, he’s very read up on all this you know

848

:rolleyes:

You are making a show of yourself mate

849

He is in fairness and his posts have mostly been excellent apart from when he gets a rush of blood to the head and tries to score points off other posters based on bollocks which just looks pathetic and drags him down to MBB/Carryharry level. Overall I’d give his contribution a B-.

850

[QUOTE=“Julio Geordio, post: 995206, member: 332”]The biggest problem for the US is picking a side which may mean they stay out of it allowing a well funded group like ISIS initially carve out a sector of Iraq & Syria.

None of their neighbours would be overjoyed by having an unstable Islamic fundamentalist army on their borders but the three that could intervene Iran, Israel & Turkey have reasons to stay clear;

The Turks have been working with the Kurds of late but wouldn’t be fans of theirs at all and wouldn’t like to see a Kurdish state on their borders considering the Kurdish minority within theirs. The reason they are working with the Kurds is that they despise the current Iraqi government as Shias and as such may be happy to see them losing some territory.
This Turkish Government is much more Islamic than previous incarnations and as such they may be happy (if not to support them) to let them off, particularly if they felt they were weakening the Kurds, the Iraqi Shias or Iran.

The Iranians are the best chance of stopping ISIS initially but would that kick off a war between Iran & say Saudi Arabia and a few more?
It could lead to an Iran/Iraq super state which the US/Israel/Saudis wouldn’t be happy about.

Israel would destroy them if they came near them in the short term, but again they can’t be upset by Syria, Iraq & Iran being destabilized.

It’s a very long shot that they’d get to a point where they’d have a chance of winning. You’d need a timeline of something like the following:

They establish a state in parts of Iraq & Syria.
They take the rest of Northern Iraq and Syria (defeating assad & kurds).
Consolidate these positions.
Ally with or invade the Lebanon. (All possible so far though Israel wouldn’t be too happy with them on their borders).
Force a civil war in Egypt & Jordan with overthrow of pro US Governments to be replaced with pro Caliphate ones (not impossible the Muslim Brotherhood would have ticked these boxes, ISIS mightn’t even have to do anything to force that).
You have a decent size now you reach out to other North African States to join or at least ally with you.
Take on and defeat Iran/Southern Iraq if they look like a threat.
Invade Israel.
WW3

WW3 could kick off at any stage of that really. The further they get the more likely they’d have a chance.

We live in interesting times.[/QUOTE]

good post
re: Lebanon, what a mess that place is
Hizbollah control the south and are allied closely with Assad, the Lebaneese army have no impact
right now, some form of Islamic militants are attacking the Lebaneese army on the Syrian border, they could smash thru there in no time, it would be some laugh to see if they have to then fight hisbolah to control Lebanon

851

I’ll try harder mate.

852

[QUOTE=“mickee321, post: 995214, member: 367”]good post
re: Lebanon, what a mess that place is
Hizbollah control the south and are allied closely with Assad, the Lebaneese army have no impact
right now, some form of Islamic militants are attacking the Lebaneese army on the Syrian border, they could smash thru there in no time, it would be some laugh to see if they have to then fight hisbolah to control Lebanon[/QUOTE]

You never hear anything about Lebanon anymore.

They say the skies of Lebanon are burning,
Those mighty cedars bleeding in the heat

853

[QUOTE=“Julio Geordio, post: 995216, member: 332”]You never hear anything about Lebanon anymore.

They say the skies of Lebanon are burning,
Those mighty cedars bleeding in the heat[/QUOTE]
@chewy louie will love this :clap:

854

[QUOTE=“Julio Geordio, post: 995216, member: 332”]You never hear anything about Lebanon anymore.

They say the skies of Lebanon are burning,
Those mighty cedars bleeding in the heat[/QUOTE]

ah man… that’s for a seperate thread…
ill do a post on it later… potentially the most chaotic country in the world, peace is always on a knife edge there.
Beirut and Tel Aviv are probably head to head in the hot birds stakes as well

855

I beleive I gave a very credible solution to the whole problem about 20/30 pages back.

Nuke the whole of the middle east, from Israel to Pakistan. It can then be used as a giant nature reserve for the good of what wildlife is left on the planet.

856

I appreciate Julio’s contribution and it’s informative, however he needn’t act like because he is well read or educated about it that some of the rest of us don’t have the right to comment or take a plain and basic view.

Personally, right or wrong, see Israel-Palestinian issues as a very lopsided battle where the main perpetrators are supported by a huge super power and would be nothing without them. Basically there is outside interference. And they also try to play the “poor me” card and lie extensively to the world taking us all as fools. I have also met many israeli’s and some Palestinians and this also fueled the interest as well as a healthy dislike for the Israelis.

While I don’t view the murder or genocide any lower down the scale in Syria or Iraq I kinda view them as internal issues. As simple a view as this might be and sound (I know it’s more complicated) I see it as Muslim civil war of sorts and people within that area trying to assert themselves. It’s been going on forever.

However I don’t see any logical reason for Israel to exist and for Jews to have/want a country of their own somewhere they don’t fit in or are not wanted. They should all fuck off to the US or elsewhere.

But I don’t get the need for people to live in single religion states anyway. It’s boring and absurd to me, as is religion really.

857

The leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah said Tuesday that the terrorist organization known as the Islamic State, which is apparently involved in recent fighting on the Syria-Lebanon border, “will lose momentum sooner or later”.

The Lebanese publication A-Safir reported that Nasrallah said that, “The Islamic State won’t be able to create a country.” Two Lebanese soldiers were killed overnight between Monday and Tuesday in clashes with the group.

858

Foreign Affairs 101 from @caoimhaoin there. Amazing how we had this brain in Ireland during the Troubles and didn’t utilise it.

859

[QUOTE=“maroonandwhite, post: 995098, member: 1406”]I must be alone in thinking that what ISIS is doing is worse than whats going on in gaza. They are massacring people, carrying out clear genocide. Similar to what boko harem are attempting but there seems to be some sort of reluctance to condemn islamic fundamentalism. Is that in case its seen to be racist?

Israel are also killing civilians and are of course wrong but can someone tell me what israel is supposed to do, right now, if there are rockets fired at it or if hamas are attempting to tunnel into israel. I accept fully that Israel has carried out decades of human rights abuses but if people keep referencing that theres no hope of any peaceful outcome on either side. Right now what do posters here expect israel to do when being fired at?[/QUOTE]

I’m in agreement with you. I think the Israeli - Palestinian situation us fucked but there may be a solution there with proper engagement and political pressure which is a good reason for the protests etc. No question there are atrocities when children are being killed in this manner but i can’t defend Hamas’ actions either without noting their own desires for this conflict as opposed to peace and reconciliation. With proper reflection and pro-active agreement on blockades and human rights this is solvable.

However, the ISIS problem is a disaster for the entire region and could cause a far greater problem in the long run.

They sound crazy and delusional but their progress and consolidation is significant and I’m not surprised by their success in Syria. Should they take any stranglehold in the Lebanon region Gaza will be a drop in the ocean compared to this lot.

860

Newsflash - there won’t be.