is it time to fire up the crusades again to fight the threat of ISIS? 
Possibly. Did your man guarding the Ark of the Covenant die at the end of The Last Crusade?
Heâd be a go-to man for that sort of endeavour.
[QUOTE=âThrawneen, post: 996265, member: 129â]Possibly. Did your man guarding the Ark of the Covenant die at the end of The Last Crusade?
Heâd be a go-to man for that sort of endeavour.[/QUOTE]
Im sure the Vatican and currently searching the secret archives for the instructions on firing up a crusade.
The Jesuits were after the crusade era. Frankie is talking to the Dominicans
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 996180, member: 367â]yeah, look i despise the IDF but they did pull out, after 72 hours of talks in Cairo they (hamas) fired on Ashkelon this morning, FFS, our match has been cancelled now
Look guys, Hamas dont give a fuck about Israeli or Gazan civilians, they want to destroy the state of Israel at whatever cost.[/QUOTE]
Is Hamas aims much different to Israels then, seeing as Israel want to destroy and take the land of the Palestinians, and clearly have no regard whatsoever for any Palestinian? Except the Israelis have a much better chance of actually making that happen. I dont think Hamas have anything left to lose now. They were still being held under a human rights blockade, so what good would a truce do for them? They just look desperate now to me, and with what has gone on, it wouldnt surprise me to see them recruit more and have more Palestinians support them. Firing the rockets though is just poking a big bear and getting a response. And they will get it in spades.
and not directed at you at all here mickee, but I still find it mad the Israeli defence for their actions.
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[]Look at Syria, and Iraq, sure what they are doing is worse. - That doesnt make what you are doing is right
[]There are rockets fired from civilian areas. - The whole place is a civilian area. And even if true, why do you need to indiscriminately destroy the whole area. The weapon capabilities are proven to be very specific at what they hit, so there are no accidental hits from Israel.
[]If you are against us, you are anti-Semitic - eh no. You claim to want to be part of the western world, yet behave like this. People dont give a shit what made up god you believe in.
[]Hamas uses people as human shields - if true, then thats horrific. however, hows about explaining the IDF using Palestinians as human shields? Dont like using wiki as a source, but there are lots more anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israel - the IDF admitted it had used Palestinians as human shields; it acknowledged using human shields 1,500 times during the Second Intifada
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Iâve been reading some comments and other stuff over the last while, and there seems to be only 2 views on this, those from Israel, and those in the Western media against it. Very little comment from Gaza or the people itself, but sure when their TV and media centres are being destroyed, thats probably not too surprising. But some of the comments from Israeli people is shocking. The deputy Ambassador to Ireland (the ambassadors wife) has come out slating the Irish people protesting and called them heathens. Iâve seen Israelis giving out saying that if the Arabic people were in such support for the Palestinians, then why wont they take them into their vast countries as refugees, and leave the place. Its like its just engrained in them so much that they see absolutely nothing wrong in forcibly taking their land and doing it by whatever means.
Now I dont know, whoâs to say that if the Palestinians did get their rights back, and their land, and Israel left them alone, that they wouldnt keep going and as mickee says, try destroy the Israeli state. Itâll never get to there though as Israel are on a defence first and get their shot in before they give the Palestinians a chance to get a shot in. But surely at least then theyâd have some justification for wanting to destroy Palestine. At the moment, I cant see any justification for the manner in which they are going after them, whilst already having them pinned down and basically fucked after persecuting them for so long.
Israeli soldiers recorded kidnapping a little boy! I canât translate but it hardly looks like an arrest.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152201335501135&id=125249356134
@Gman, the Israeli ambassadorâs wife is an extremist and a nutbar, sheâs the one that posts all the daft shit all over the Israeli Ireland Facebook page that they often end up having to take down again. Itâs mad they allow someone like that to represent them abroad, especially in a country that doesnât sign up to all their nonsense in the first place.
thats the thing though glas, do they actually see anything wrong with what she is doing or saying, as to me, it seems to be the default opinion of pretty much the majority that I have seen commenting on it from an Israeli side. so in their view, they could replace her, but whoever would take over that would keep doing the same shit anyway.
Exactly. Their last few ambassadors have been the same in my view. Sheâs a little more out there and outrightly racist against Muslims though. Like I said, shes a nut job.
Ah we do sign up to it. âWeâ back the US to the hilt.
The government represents us, so we have to bear that tag like it or lump it.
That was a great post @Gman. The only thing Iâd add is there are no human shields. The use of a human shield is a deterrent to someone else not to fire at them. You are relying on the the other party to value that human life and not fire. This would usually be the case. But, If Israel fire anyway without regard for that person or persons, then they are not shields. Israel have taken the view that itâs acceptable to kill innocent people and children and this âhuman shieldâ argument is bollocks.
Iâm pretty sure you have but Iâll ask anyway. Have you met many israeliâs? They are all like that, to a man. In many ways they can seem quite ok, but they are quite arrogant. But bring up the Gaza situation and itâs complete blindness on a scale Iâve only ever seen with Kerry people and football.
That sounds like a bit of a stretch in my opinion
What is a shield?
A shield is a type of personal armor, meant to intercept attacks.
Unless the kids stop the bombs being fired in the first place - through appealing to humanity on the other side - I canât see these bombs hitting them and deflecting elsewhere.
Not a shield.
Anyway itâs been well documented Israel donât care where bombs land. What were the 4 kids on the beach supposed to be âshieldingâ
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Anyway itâs been well documented Israel donât care where bombs land. What were the 4 kids on the beach supposed to be âshieldingâ[/QUOTE]
A football
what they seem to have been using the âhuman shieldsâ for, was to send in Palestinians to check for viable bombs, or to go ahead of the soldiers first in an area of conflict to see if it was clear. in otherwords, the soldiers werent brave enough to put their lives at risk, so they forced a Palestinian to do so and do their work for them.
this was one piece I read on the last war - http://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-soldiers-use-two-palestinian-minors-human-shields/3156
but there are loads of examples where the soldiers picked up Palestinians to do their dirty work for them without the fear of them coming to any harm.
My issue was with Israel declaring with some moral high ground that Hamas use people as human shields, and whilst in this instance I am not disputing that, the fact that Israeli soldiers capture Palestinians and forcibly use them as human shields mean that they cant claim some sort of moral high ground they think they have.
Cut footage of the unarmed civilian shot by sniper while looking for bodies in rubble.
http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-israel-killing-salem-shamaly-shujaiya-inside-story
Mark Regev is some piece of work. Heâs become the face and excuser of killing children over the last month. I think he was jet off lightly here by some unusually poor questioning though.
The Peshmerga is a pretty cool name for the Kurdish Army.
Youâre some fucking Israeli apologist. Iâd say you came by that hook nose fairly honestly.
What Joan Rivers had to say when she was told 2,000 Palestinians had been killed in the lastest conflict:
âOh my God! Tell that to the people in Hiroshima,â she says on film.
âGood. Good. When you declare war, you declare war. They started it. We now donât count whoâs dead. Youâre dead, you deserve to be dead. Donât you dare make me feel bad about that.â
âThey were told to get out. They didnât get out. You donât get out, you are an idiot. At least the ones that were killed were the ones with low IQs.â