Ireland politics (Part 1)

Unlawful? You’ve just added that word to the conversation now. We weren’t talking about that.

The arrest was wrong. It’s plainly obvious to everyone. She was badly treated. She was singled out for exceptional treatment and her privacy was betrayed to the media. I’m not debating whether it was lawful or not, I’m merely saying it’s obvious it was wrong, it’s obvious it shouldn’t have happened, and it’s obvious her politics was a motivating factor in that treatment. It’s demeaning for anyone who feels they have to argue otherwise.

So why didn’t he run in his own constituency? Plenty of issues in areas of dun laoighire rathdown, drug use etc that need sorting,

She made an illegal turn and was discovered to have been drinking while driving. How is the fact she was arrested wrong?? Im flabbergasted here. The only wrong was that her name was released to the media that should never have happened. What if she ploughed into someone walking home due to her being someway drunk. Are you suggesting the guards should have let her off, after thinking she might be drunk?

Is that the sum total of your arguments now? That he ran in a neighbouring constituency? Hang him.

Nope, that he cares little for his constituents just saw an easy route into politics by appealing to the disaffected masses in another constituency where he felt his life in politics could be better secured. Your arguments can be summed up as giving Murphy his greatest ever leg up was political policing, and if you drive after drinking and pull an illegal u turn you should be immune from arrest if a politician. Not to mention the claim that wallace was in some way targeted and victimised by being observed on his phone while driving.

She wasn’t discovered to have been drinking while driving. They weren’t simultaneous.

She was under the legal limit. It’s important. Her treatment was exceptional. It was abnormal. You’re trying to convince yourself that it was reasonable to handcuff her and arrest her for drink driving when she wasn’t drink driving. Best of luck with that. You won’t be convincing me.

So she had no alcohol in her system? What was exceptional, bar the fact it was released to the media which it definitely shouldn’t have been.

@rocko, what makes you think Daly’s arrest had anything to do with Labour or Fine Gael? Much more likely it was gardaí on solo run trying to get Daly after her repeated criticism

Don’t make a fool of yourself. It’s not illegal to have alcohol in your system.

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The same Paul Murphy who said those unwilling to pay for Water were not in the wrong claiming the Water Grant?

Not so much a crusader but a 2 faced cunt IMO.

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Did she refuse to give a blood or urine sample?

No. She gave a urine sample. It was under the limit.

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Ok. But it is illegal to have a certain level or alcohol in your system, ie the limit. And its up to the guards to see are you over the limit. And how do they do this? By guessing? by a mind melt technique they teach them? Nope, by arresting someone and getting them to blow into the machine in the station or whatever. Please tell me how the guards should have handled a person who made an illegal turn and who they suspected might be drunk.

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Her singling out for treatment was a result of her political stance. I’m not saying Joan Burton rang her local Garda station and told them what to do. I’m saying that FG adopted a particular hands-on stance with the Gardaí (through Shatter in particular) and Labour sat back and either enjoyed it or were too cowardly to raise any objections. And the relationship between the Gardaí and the government became very cosy with the Gardaí taking a stance on political opponents of government policy and state corruption.

This may or may not be true.

But it smacks of hypocrisy when people refuse to point out what Labour may have stopped FG from doing while in Coalition but happily deride them for apparently sitting back leaving FG at it?

Great, so can you stop bringing up the fact that she had alcohol in her system because we’ve all established that she was allowed to and didn’t break any law in doing so. It’s an irrelevant and pointless debate and I’m sure you think it adds something to your argument, but it doesn’t.

You arrest someone and then ask them to blow into a machine? No, you don’t. You ask them to blow into the machine and then you look at the result and decide whether they are breaking the law or not. If your machine isn’t working (as was conveniently the case in this instance) then you can ask the person to accompany you to the station. Daly has said she had no problem doing this. We know she gave a urine sample that showed she was below the legal limit. She wasn’t acting the Jim McDaid or anything.

Handcuffing someone on the side of the road who has not failed an alcohol test and whose only transgression was an illegal right turn is ridiculous antics. And it was obviously orchestrated to damage Daly. And arguing otherwise is tedious and nonsensical.

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No the whole crux of the argument is whether she had alcohol in her system. As it was a urine test she wouldn’t have actually known whether she was over the limit or not for weeks. So a perfectly reasonable arrest. You still haven’t answered my question of what the guards should have done when they (correctly) presumed she was after drinking? Your sole argument rests now on the fact she was handcuffed. So what should they have done??

The crux of the argument is not whether she had alcohol in her system. That’s not a crime. Even when driving. Stop pretending it is. It’s silly and childish.

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Jesus h christ. Its only not a crime when the level of alcohol is determined. Which took weeks in this case. Then and only then was she clear, not on the side of the road, and not in the station.

She was handcuffed even though they were unsure if she was over the limit.

If she was legless getting out of the motor, then maybe go for the cuffs. You’re going around in circles here.